This letter was sent to all the pastors and political leaders.
In many religious communities, hymns are a central part of the worship experience. Hymns are typically songs of praise and devotion that are sung to express worship and adoration for God. Singing hymns can be a way to connect with the divine, to express gratitude and love, and to deepen one’s spiritual experience. However, if you are excommunicated from the Seventh-day Adventist Church and you continue to sing hymns from the Adventist hymnal during your own personal worship time, you are breaking the law and engaging in “secret activities,” and you will be reported to the appropriate government authorities.
The North Rift Valley Field, which is a part of the West Kenya Union Conference of Seventh-day Adventists, recently published a letter explaining how a former member and employee had been officially disfellowshipped from the Seventh-day Adventist community. The letter was written on May 2, 2023, and explained how the former member/employee could no longer preach, teach, baptize, or even sing songs from the Seventh-day Adventist hymnal. The letter also stated how “government authorities” could be used to stop him from using the “SDA” name in his “secret activities.”
Brothers and sisters, this threat to use the strong arm of the state to forbid disfellowshipped members from singing Adventist hymns is the same papal tactic that will be used against the faithful during the Mark of the Beast crisis:
“The church appeals to the strong arm of civil power, and in this work, papists and Protestants unite. As the movement for Sunday enforcement becomes more bold and decided, the law will be invoked against commandment-keepers. They will be threatened with fines and imprisonment, and some will be offered positions of influence, and other rewards and advantages, as inducements to renounce their faith” (Great Controversy, p. 607).
“The ‘image to the beast’ represents that form of apostate Protestantism which will be developed when the Protestant churches shall seek the aid of the civil power for the enforcement of their dogmas” (Great Controversy, p. 445).
What hymns are disfellowshipped Adventists supposed to sing? Catholic mass songs in Latin, like many Seventh-day Adventist Church leaders enjoy singing? [1] Tyranny will have no part in the work of God. Those who are blinded by power and who resort to the strong arm of the state to forbid their former brethren from singing hymns during their personal worship time will not be under God’s protection during the final crisis:
“Those who endeavor to obey all the commandments of God will be opposed and derided. They can stand only in God. In order to endure the trial before them, they must understand the will of God as revealed in his Word; they can honor him only as they have a right conception of his character, government, and purposes, and act in accordance with them. None but those who have fortified the mind with the truths of the Bible will stand through the last great conflict. To every soul will come the searching test, Shall I obey God rather than men? The decisive hour is even now at hand. Are our feet planted on the rock of God’s immutable Word? Are we prepared to stand firm in defense of the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus?” (Great Controversy, p. 593).
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Same happened in 1948 world war 2 but adventist ministers wore nazi uniforms and reported their own brethren who were put to death
Francis is exact rock that builders rejected .
This is end days and power hunger has entered the church of Christ creating confusions and divisions .it’s sad that those old folks never accept changes their old constitution rag them to day 21st century.
This is absolutely horrendous! This person or people are power hungry!
1) the SDA do not own the songs in the SDA Hymnal. They were written by folks of every faith! All faiths sing those songs!
2) How would the powers that be know what songs he sings in his personal worship!
He sings to God, not this person who is more like Lucifer than Jesus! Power crazy!
3) Sounds like a vendetta! Why not try to win him back!
4) More and more our beloved church is showing signs of the wrong color! This is so so sad!
I think it’s worth taking a second look at the quote brother Andy Roman quoted from the Great Controversy. He emphasized the first sentence, which is undoubtedly important, since it reveals to us that the fruits of the SDA church show it is aligning itself with Rome. But I think that in this case, the second sentence is equally important.
“The church appeals to the strong arm of civil power, and in this work, papists and Protestants unite. As the movement for Sunday enforcement becomes more bold and decided, the law will be invoked against COMMANDMENT-KEEPERS. They will be threatened with fines and imprisonment, and some will be offered positions of influence, and other rewards and advantages, as inducements to renounce their faith” (Great Controversy, p. 607)
I can’t bold the text or use color, so I used ALL CAPS. It is fascinating that if this quote is being correctly applied to this case, which I believe it is, then brother Francis Ndacha is the commandment keeper and the SDA church is the persecuting power which Ellen White saw with a prophetic eye. Thus, it is reasonable to conclude that those who stand on the same foundation with Francis Ndacha will also receive the same persecution for being commandment keepers, and those that stand with the SDA denomination will either actively be the persecutors, or will approve of the persecution by their indifference and continued support of the denomination. This tastes familiar… it reminds me of the mark of the beast which is received EITHER in the forehead OR in the hand.
We should ask, why was Francis Ndacha disfellowshipped? I don’t speak Swahili, but I can use Google Translate enough to see that Brother Ndacha was not disfellowshipped for supporting people in aborting babies (that’s the denomination’s job); he was not disfellowshipped for embracing the LBGTQ+ agenda (that’s the denomination’s job); he was not disfellowshipped for his worldly mindedness and desire to be like the nations around him (the denomination’s job); nor was he disfellowshipped for implementing draconian measures that force the conscience of the membership (again, the denomination’s self-assigned job). Oh no… he was disfellowshipped for teaching from the Bible that there is one God, the Father, and that He has a literal begotten son, Jesus Christ and not a coeternal, coequal, and consubstantial partner called “God the Son” (and “God the Holy Spirit). For the heinous crime of teaching doctrine that is fully established by countless Bible verses, even by the lips of Jesus Christ himself, he was tossed out by the scruff of the neck. Notice that the letter communicating his disfellowship further incriminates the SDA denomination in that it states that the basis upon which action was taken against brother Ndacha was per the CHURCH MANUAL, not scripture! They could not gainsay against his Biblical teaching, so they had to revert to the only source of fictitious authority they had – their creed. The action taken against Francis Ndacha shows that the leadership of the church has lost it’s vital connection to the God of heaven, because they have forsaken Him in following after a god of men’s imagination, called the trinity.
Brothers and sisters, Francis Ndacha is showing the narrow path upon which the elect of Christ will need to walk. If you find yourself not suffering the same type of persecution when you teach about Christ and his Father from scripture, then I plead that you will stop to consider if the reason may be that you are traveling comfortably down the broad way, following the SDA leadership rather than proving all things by the word of God.
Brother Ndacha is giving the first angel’s message – a call to remember who the Creator of heaven and earth is and to worship Him. The persecuting action from the denomination declares to us the second angel’s message – Babylon is fallen – it shows us that the denomination has joined herself unto Babylon. It is time to decide whom we will serve. To serve the Lord, we will need to be keepers of God commandments, like Brother Ndacha; for to “Fear God and give glory to Him,” and to “worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of water” is clearly a commandment of God. To serve Baal, or the false god, we can simply continue consuming whatever processed commandments of men the modern SDA denomination serves up on a platter for us. The sad reality is that Sister White reveals in Early Writings that those who knowingly or indifferently choose to ignore the first angel’s message, will not be able to hear the truth about the second angel’s message so that they might come out and be separate.
What will be your choice?
Sounds like you are mentioning the controversy in the church about the three members of the Godhead. I believe whole-heartedly that the Holy Spirit is the Third Member of the Godhead and the Christ is equal with Father. But I don’t believe in the Trinity, I believe in the Godhead.
You might want to read this.
https://www.end-times-prophecy.org/ellen-white-reference-god.html
I’ve seen many such things Alan, but they never sway me. That link says, “You will clearly see that Ellen White believed there are only TWO beings in the ‘Godhead’,” but the Spirit of Prophecy makes clear there are three Beings in the Godhead, including the “THIRD PERSON of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.” –Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37. (1897).
Brother John Hudiburgh-
What you refer to as “the controversy in the church” I see as a return to the fundamental principles and pillars of our faith that were established by the revelation of the Spirit of God through men and women that consecrated and dedicated their lives to God’s service.
“My husband, Elder Joseph Bates, Father Pierce, Elder Edson, a man who was keen, noble, and true, and many others whose names I cannot now recall were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for truth. At our important meetings, these men would meet together and search for the truth as for hidden treasure.” 18LtMs, Ms 135, 1903, par. 1
“I met with them, and we studied and prayed earnestly; for we felt that we must learn God’s truth. Often we remained together until late at night, and sometimes through the entire night, praying for light and studying the word. As we fasted and prayed, great power come upon us. But I could not understand the reasoning of the brethren. My mind was locked, as it were, and I could not comprehend what we were studying. Then the Spirit of God would come upon me, I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explanation of the passages we had been studying would be given me, with instruction as to the position we were to take regarding truth and duty.” 18LtMs, Ms 135, 1903, par. 2
“A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God was plainly marked out before me, and I gave my brethren and sisters the instruction that the Lord had given me. They knew that when not in vision I could not understand these matters, and they accepted as light direct from heaven the revelations given me. The leading points of our faith as we hold them today were firmly established. Point after point was clearly defined, and all the brethren came into harmony.” 18LtMs, Ms 135, 1903, par. 3
“The whole company of believers were united in the truth. There were those who came in with strange doctrines, but we were never afraid to meet them. Our experience was wonderfully established by the revelation of the Holy Spirit.” 18LtMs, Ms 135, 1903, par. 4
The controversy, so far as I can see, does not lie in returning to those truths which Sister White stated would “extend until the time when we will enter the city of God,” but rather in the gradual departure from those truths which could only take place when the consecrated individuals that founded this movement passed on to their rest, and thus were no longer able to meet the strange doctrines, such as the trinity (a.k.a. known as “the Godhead” in SDA circles), that were brought into the church step by step.
This departure from the true God to a false god is foreshadowed and prophesied in the writings of the prophet Jeremiah. He even goes so far as to identify this so called “controversy” as a CONSPIRACY! Read it for yourself in Jeremiah 11. Sister White confirms that the prophecies of scripture have their pre-eminent application to the period of time just prior to Christ’s second coming (RH September 25, 1883, par. 6), so we can be sure that Jeremiah was writing to the modern day SDA church first and foremost. The theme of Jeremiah 11 is clear… God’s people (Jerusalem/Judah in that day, SDA church in our day) depart from the true God in favor of worshipping false gods and break his covenant by disobedience. God calls us to come back, but we will not listen and instead “walk… in the imagination of [our] evil heart.” In verses 9-10 the conspiracy is laid out in clear terms… the people go after other gods to serve them. This is precisely what has happened in the SDA church. We now serve the same false three-fold god that the other religions of this world have adopted in contrast to the one true God, the heavenly Father, which is presented in Scripture.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
The prophecy of Jeremiah is quite distressing to me as an SDA… it reveals (more than once) that there is a judgment approaching where our denomination will be condemned as an organization, much in the same way as Judah was condemned as a nation. God says through Jeremiah that he will no longer hear the cries or the prayers for this people, or of this people (vs 14). This is “close of probation” type language. In the context, we find that there was a remnant from Judah which renounced the false gods which the people had adopted and were therefore spared the destruction that came upon Judah; in like manner we can know that there will be Seventh-day Adventists that will forsake the false god of the modern denomination which has entered in by way of conspiracy (God’s word, not mine) in favor of returning to the one true God, and thus escaping the promised destruction and being forsaking by God.
Keep reading the prophecy of Jeremiah 11 (and all of the book of Jeremiah)… you will find in verse 18 that Jeremiah was given knowledge of the conspiracy and the nature of it; thus we should expect that there is a knowledge of the modern conspiracy which has already manifested itself. As he spoke out about the conspiracy, verse 19 tells us that the leaders “devised devices against him.” In like manner, we can know that those who speak out against this apostacy from the true God will be maligned and devices will be devised again us. From what I can tell, this is what happened with brother Francis Ndacha. But God is Jeremiah’s defense and protector from these evil conspirators. This same promise hold true for us today.
Just as Jeremiah lays this out so plainly, sister White also forewarned of the present condition of the SDA denomination:
“The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath, of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure.” SpTB02 54.3
Each point that she lays out has been fulfilled to the letter. The cause is plainly stated… she says that all those actions taken against the principles of truth are driven by the fact that God has been removed. This is the condition of our denomination. God the Father has been replaced and now it’s God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. The actions that are so frequently brought up by brother Andy Roman on this forum are the result of a people that have removed the true God from their worship and instead depend on worthless human power and the doctrine and commandments of men. This is why abomination and after abomination in the church is reported on this website. This is why we are living in a nearly perpetual state of sighing and crying. The only thing that remains to take place in sister White’s statement is the sweeping away of the structure. I take every opportunity presented to me to call people to see our true condition, so that like Baruch, Ebed-melech and Jeremiah, we might be spared from the consequence of eternal destruction that is about to come first by judgment upon an apostate SDA denomination and then afterward upon the world in general.
With regard to your comment about “three members of the Godhead”, I would encourage you to see if you can find anywhere in scripture where there is a club called Godhead (or trinity for that matter) which is so exclusive that only three members are admitted. I have never seen this club identified in plain language in the Bible. Scripture uses the term Godhead to convey the idea of divinity which is a characteristic of God. Scripture informs us that Jesus Christ possesses godhead because he is the divine Son of God, not because he is God the Son. The way in which the word “godhead” has been coined by the modern (apostate) SDA church is incorrect… it is simply an alternate term to convey the same concepts contained in the word “trinity” and cannot be substantiated in any logical, reasonable or direct way from scripture. It is a diversionary tactic DESIGNED (remember Jeremiah tells us we are dealing with a conspiracy, so these are not coincidental or chance happenings) to prevent people from looking into this profoundly important subject more deeply.
Thank you for your reply, Eric. I was inspired by your first few paragraphs as I know that’s how it was back then. I appreciate the Spirit of Prophecy so much — those precious writings have helped and guided me past a number of errors in our church through the years. I remember when the “new theology” was raging — the Spirit of Prophecy was a great blessing in finding the truth in that matter.
About the year 2008, a sweet and kind lady saw something I’d written online and got in touch with me — before long she shared with me her sincere beliefs on the Trinity and the Holy Spirit, believing like you do. I realized right off that was a bridge too far for me, but she was one of the dearest, most true Christians I’d ever met — but I researched the matter, saw clearly what the truth was. Even though she did not agree, we have remained good friends to this day.
I saw three choices mentioned online (below) — to me Ellen White could not have been more clear: “the THREE PERSONS—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” (Manuscript 57, 1900). (6BC 1074), and she referred to “the Godhead.”
1. The TRINITY
Definition: One God with three personalities, ALL OF ONE SUBSTANCE.
“A threefold consubstantial (sharing the same substance) personality existing in one Divine Being or substance.”
Rome’s Trinity, consubstantial, of the same substance. “The personalities of the Trinity were not confounded, and the substance was not divided.” The pioneers railed against the Catholic Trinity, where the three members of the Godhead are all one substance.
325AD-Council of Nicea–Trinity established.
Paganism + Christianity = Papacy
Churches that hold to Trinity: Roman Catholicism, Fallen Protestantism.
2. The GODHEAD
Definition: Three distinct eternal Beings. The Son and Holy Spirit voluntarily chose submissive roles. Life of all three–original, unborrowed, underived.
Oneness, unity of love, harmony of thought, purpose, and character.
Those who believe in the Godhead: True Seventh-day Adventists
3. HOLY SPIRIT: AN IMPERSONAL FORCE.
Definition: The Father eternal. The Son begotten way back in eternity, originated from the Father. The Holy Spirit an impersonal force, power or influence, originated from the Father and Son.
Basically, the same variation of the Trinity doctrine, except the Holy Spirit is a force, not a person.
Churches that hold to Anti-Holy Spirit view: Jehovah Witnesses, Symyrna Gospel Church
Brother John –
Sorry for my absence. I’m preparing a response. I hope that you come back to check this later.
Blessings
John
Some time has passed, and I failed to come back and check on our conversation last week. In the hopes that you will eventually come back to check also, I’m writing back.
First, let me state my great satisfaction and joy in being able to express these thoughts between us without emotions flaring up and blocking the path forward. I think that most of us in this day and age have lost the ability to talk about things in a reasonable way, without accusation and without defensiveness. I appreciate people that are willing to consider the weight of biblical evidence even if it goes against their initial ideas and I strive to do the same. I’ll share with you one of my favorite non-EGW quotes from one of the early Advent pioneers:
“Error, always shuns the light; truth, never. Error fears to stand by the side of truth, lest its naked deformity shall be seen. Truth courts investigation, and challenges comparison with an erroneous view, knowing it will suffer nothing by such comparison. While the truth wishes to be presented side by side with the opposite error, that impartial minds may decide its merits; error shrinks from such scrutiny, as embarrassing and unjust restrictions.” HST July 17, 1844, page 189.22
Incredible… no one writes or even thinks in this manner anymore.
I was born into Seventh-day Adventism and have lived and practiced as an SDA all of my adult life; and yet, it wasn’t until around 2012 that certain things came to my attention that challenged my firmly entrenched doctrinal understanding (given to me in a lifetime of church going and K-12 SDA schooling) which forced me to pick up my Bible and really start digging to see if these things were so. It has been a challenging road ever since as one erroneous doctrine after another was brought to my attention of which I was oblivious – one of which was the Godhead, or Trinity. I say “or” simply because at the time I used them interchangeably, not to diminish your previous points. I share this with you to let you know that I understand 100% where you are coming from, because it is the same hill on which I used to stand as well.
I could go on and on about my story, but to get to the point, the weight of evidence is finally what convinced me. There is an overwhelming weight of evidence in Scripture and in the inspired writings of Sister White in contradiction to the concept of a trinity/godhead that simply cannot, or at least should not be ignored. When a contradiction is encountered, if we seek after truth we must consciously decide that the contradiction is not in the inspired text (EGW included) but rather in our interpretation of the text. Unfortunately, this is not the decision made by most, rather they choose to ignore or at least diminish the statements which stand in contradiction to their belief and fail to investigate where the greater weight of evidence lies, if not outright refusing to acknowledge it. It is for this reason that the position of the modern corporate SDA church, which is repeated ad nauseum by the leadership from the local church pastor all the way up the president of the GC, is that the pioneer’s understanding of the identity and personality of God “evolved” (I despise it when they use that fictitious word) from being decidedly non-trinitarian and over time the founders came into a fuller understanding which brought them to embrace the Godhead/trinity concept. I cannot accept such a conclusion, for to do so would be to disregard the inspired, uplifting and reassuring words of sister White which I copied in my prior post regarding the line of truth which SHE SAW (meaning it was shown to her by God) that would extend to the time when we will enter the city of God. That quote is only one from hundreds of others. I ask, is there an example from Scripture where we find an individual being directly instructed by God in matters of truth (where they can say the words “I saw”), even being glimpses of heaven itself without first having the knowledge of Who it is that is instructing him or her? The only examples I can think of are individuals who knew who God is. Some later rebelled and separated themselves from God such as Balaam and Saul, but in no wise does God communicate doctrinal points of truth directly with those who do not know him. Thus, the entire premise that the modern SDA church presents is flawed from the onset. It cannot be that God showed Ellen White such things while she was worshiping only the Father and his only begotten Son Jesus Christ and stating over and over that it was by their Holy Spirit that she not only received the points of truth, but also the fact that they would be unchangeable for as long as time should last. I want to get to your three points, so I’ll leave it with this… If the founders had to “evolve” into an understanding of who God is, meaning the Trinity or the SDA coined Godhead, then our entire foundation is built on sand, storm and tempest will therefore wash it away, and we are fools for believing in it.
1. Trinity
I agree with you wholeheartedly – the churches that hold to the Trinity absolutely include fallen Protestantism. I would direct your attention to the General Conference Website where the 28 fundamental beliefs are explained. Fundamental (meaning foundational and non-negotiable) belief #2 – THE TRINITY https://www.adventist.org/trinity/
An evidence of a falsehood is that the story changes. I am not legally minded, but I know that this is what police officers and lawyers are trained to do, they ask questions to see if the story changes. When it does, they know that the person is lying. Let us apply this principle to the modern SDA doctrine of the trinity (officially adopted in 1980). In order to do so, we will be looking at past copies of the SDA GC website explaining the 2nd most important doctrine of the modern church (by the way, it should be the 1st most important doctrine as it was in the days of the founders when they put forth the fundamental principles – please see https://egwwritings.org/read?panels=p931.2&index=0). We will start with a web capture of the GC website made in 2018 using archive.org – https://web.archive.org/web/20171229143012/https://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/god/trinity/. In this link, you will find that the General Conference of SDA states “There is one God, Father Son and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons.” This is directly from fundamental belief #2 – the Trinity. However, they went on to clarify their belief further by saying that this god comprised of three person is “the only BEING worthy of our worship.” I cannot bold or change colors for emphasis on this forum, so I use all caps to emphasize, not because I’m yelling. To recap, according to the General Conference a mere five years ago, God is three persons, yet one being. What is a being, if not an individual and therefore one substance? This is called orthodox trinitarianism and is for all practical purposes the same as the doctrine of the whore of Babylon and her daughters. This position is confirmed by the papers issued by the Biblical Research Institute, the official arm of the GC which is tasked with defining the doctrinal beliefs of SDA’s (consider if that is how it is supposed to be) which I will quote from later. So far as I can tell by searching the web archives, this orthodox trinitarian position was displayed to the world on the GC website for multiple years.
From sometime in 2018 through sometime in the first quarter of 2021 the GC website eliminated the explanation of the fundamental belief for God as three persons, yet one being, in favor of simply stating the fundamental belief as voted in GC session. See https://web.archive.org/web/20191222163416/https://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental-beliefs/god/trinity/. While this doesn’t constitute a “change in the story”, it nonetheless starts to reveal that the language used to state the 2nd most important fundamental belief of the denomination was crafted in such a way that leadership and theologians of the church may emphatically declare to the Christian world that we are orthodox trinitarians, just like them, and thus are part of mainstream Christianity, while concurrently, the majority of the SDA membership may interpret the same fundamental belief as stating that God is comprised of three beings which together constitute one God, which incidentally, is called tritheism, not trinitarianism. Tritheism is an example of many gods which is what Paul warned about in 1 Corinthians 8:5:
1 Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
Was Paul a tritheist? Absolutely not. Was Paul a trinitarian? Let us allow him answer:
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
The Father is very clearly identified as Paul’s God. Scripture further declares the Father to be the God of Jesus Christ in multiple places.
Let’s get back to the SDA General Conference website and move forward in time from early 2021 to sometime in the 2nd quarter of 2021 through present day. The GC changed the website with their fundamental beliefs once again, but this time, they added back some explanatory language. You can just look it up at the current website https://www.adventist.org/trinity/, or you can also see it in May of 2021 at https://web.archive.org/web/20210515124257/https://www.adventist.org/trinity/. The first thing declared on the page is the following: “Seventh-day Adventist Christians believe there is one God. And that this one God is three co-eternal beings who work together in unity.”
Now we have a startling revelation on our hands. Aside from this new declaration being poorly written, we find that in the span of less than three years, the official story from the General Conference website regarding the identity of the god that Seventh-day Adventists worship has changed dramatically from one God which is ONE BEING manifested in three persons (this is an inexplicable concept and is therefore is ALWAYS identified as a mystery by all orthodox trinitarians, including SDA’s) to three beings which are partners and work together in unity, thus making them one God. We have already seen that this tritheist view is contrary to scripture. In less than three years, the official story has gone from orthodox trinitarianism (which is still the official position of the church as we will see) to tritheism, which is the erroneous position held by most of the SDA membership as a hybridized version between orthodox trinitarianism and the truth as presented in Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy. Remember, we are talking about a fundamental belief, not some abstract undocumented collection of opinions. Remember, we are talking about a doctrine that the modern church claims that the pioneers “evolved” into, not a whimsical idea that suddenly popped into the head of the webmaster at the General Conference office and was thrown haphazardly onto the website, going unnoticed for years at a time. The story has changed. God has permitted it thus so that anyone with eyes to see may perceive that something is not right. God has not, nor will He ever change. We may therefore conclude that there is a lie, a conspiracy, if you will, afoot.
Following are some statements from the theologians which staff the Biblical Research Institute. All of these were taken from papers which are still posted on the GC website, thus, they stand as a part of the church’s official position, since the BRI has authority given to it by the GC to establish points of doctrine.
“The core elements of the doctrine of the Trinity are oneness and distinctiveness. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one, yet three. To express this conviction, words and expressions came into use that are NOT EXPLICITLY USED IN THE BIBLE. The oneness of God we confess by claiming that GOD IS ONE IN BEING; the distinctiveness we confess by teaching that there are three persons.” (Paul Petersen, Andrews University, May 2015, page 3, ‘God in 3 Persons — in the New Testament’) Published by the Biblical Research Institute as Release 11 https://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/home/releases/.
Notice in the above that it is openly confessed that the trinity requires the use of language not found in the Bible. Further, the fact that the SDA denomination is firmly entrenched as an orthodox trinitarian organization. Compare this with any number of Catholic definitions of the trinity and you will find negligible differences. In fact, let’s do it now before going to the next quote from the BRI.
Catholic – “We firmly believe and openly confess that there is only one true God, eternal and immense, omnipotent, unchangeable, incomprehensible, and ineffable, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; THREE PERSONS indeed but ONE ESSENSE, SUBSTANCE, OR NATURE absolutely simple.” (Canons of the fourth Lateran Council, 1215 https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/basis/lateran4.asp)
SDA Fundamental Belief #2 – There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three coeternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. God, who is love, is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation. https://www.adventist.org/trinity/
Incredibly, the belief statement from SDA’s, when coupled with our official doctrinal statements that we’re looking at now, is borderline plagiarism. I honestly cannot understand how someone can conclude that the SDA denomination does not worship the same false god as Rome.
Now back to statements by our top theologians at the BRI who have authority to define doctrine on behalf of the denomination:
“While the Seventh-day Adventist Church today ESPOUSES THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY, this has not always been so…” “Trinitarianism is the ORTHODOX belief that there is but one living and true God. Nevertheless this one God is a unity of three persons, who are of ONE SUBSTANCE, power and eternity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” (Dr. Gerhard Pfandl, “The Doctrine of the Trinity Among Adventists, 1999) https://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/materials/the-doctrine-of-the-trinity-among-adventists/.
The above statement is unequivocal. The denomination is declaring proudly by the official and authoritative arm of the General Conference who is the official god of the Seventh-day Adventist denomination. It is one being mysteriously made up of three persons. It is the orthodox trinity of Rome. “Mystery, Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.” I am very sad to report to you that the SDA denomination has a mother.
“the father-son image cannot be literally applied to the divine Father-Son relationship within the Godhead. The Son is not the natural, literal Son of the Father. A natural child has a beginning, while within the Godhead the Son is eternal. The term “Son” is used metaphorically when applied to the Godhead.” (Angel Manuel Rodriguez, “A question of Sonship”) https://www.adventistbiblicalresearch.org/materials/a-question-of-sonship/
Notice in the above quote from the director emeritus of the BRI that Jesus is not the literal son of God, nor is God the literal Father of Christ, it is only a metaphor… which is to say a role play… which is to say acting… which is to say a falsehood or lie. This one really hurts because of the third Bible text I will supply to address this apostacy.
Text #1 – Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
Text #2 – 2 Peter 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Text #3 – 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
2. – The GODHEAD
Now that we have seen that the modern SDA denomination is absolutely orthodox trinitarian in its doctrinal position, I have to ask, who is it that establishes the definition of “The GODHEAD”? It cannot be from the church since it does not espouse this position. You provided a definition in your previous post, but did not provide the source. Was it from scripture? If so, which verses inform us of three distinct eternal beings, two of which volunteered to take submissive roles (please don’t forget what “role” playing means – a lie)? If it is in scripture, then it must, by God’s own rules, have at least two or three witnesses to confirm it with very direct and plain language. I will guess that you cannot supply the verses only based on my own journey, because I tried for a very long time to find them, even reading the entire Bible with no other purpose in mind than to find where and how God directly identifies himself. Since presumably there is no Bible proof texts for this definition of Godhead, then I must ask, where else can we draw from?
I’ve previously pointed out that use of the term “Godhead” in scripture is limited to the concept of divinity. Let’s look at the three places where the word is used and see if there is evidence to lead us to understand that it more, including an exclusive club with membership of three.
Acts 17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
The concordance tells that this use of the term Godhead = divine or God-like. A parallel verse where the same Greek word is used is found in 1 Peter 3:4
2 Peter 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the DIVINE nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
The same Greek word is shown in all caps in the above text. This is not a club, nor an alternate term for Trinity. Let’s go to the next use of Godhead:
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
This is the only use of this Greek word in all of scripture. Contextually, it is impossible to apply this term in the sense of a group of beings which are god(s?). In case some might try, we can take note that Paul is speaking in the above verse about God. God who? A trinity? – It cannot be since that is not found in scripture. God the Son? Again, that is not a term found in scripture. God the Holy Spirit? You get the picture… not in Scripture. Paul tells us himself who he identifies as God in this sublime letter to the Roman believers (and all of his other epistles for that matter). See Romans 1:7
Romans 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
In Romans 1:20, Paul uses the word Godhead to refer to the divinity of God. It is the Father’s divine nature, his Godhood. In fact, someone researched the etymology of the term Godhead and it was derived from the Old English term Godhade. The suffix ‘hade’ has a meaning of “state or condition of being.” Another example of the use of this Old English suffix is the word fæderhade which today is the word Fatherhood. Thus, Godhead rightfully means Godhood – the condition and characteristics of being God.
Now we will look at the final use of the word Godhead:
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
This verse is speaking of Christ’s divinity, not of a group of beings. Christ is divine because he is the Son of God. Christ possess all the attributes and qualities of God by virtue of his literal sonship to the heavenly Father, but yet, he is not the God of the Bible because Christ himself declares that the Father is his God (See Revelation 3:12, John 20:17 – also Eph 1:17 and Hebrews 1:9).
Next, I would like to address your reference to a statement by Sister White regarding life original, unborrowed, underived. You said that all three possess this life. I’m not familiar with where Sister White directly states that the Holy Spirit possess life original unborrowed and underived. She does however state that this immortal life is exclusively the property of God and then proceeds to state that the Word, who was with God (the Father), and who was God (remember that Christ possess Godhood or divinity as the Son of God) had this life. I’ll just quote her. It’s better that way.
“In him was life; and the life was the light of men.” It is not physical life that is here specified, but immortality, the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual receives. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the lifegiver, takes it again. Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from him. “I lay it down of myself,” he said. In him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as his personal Saviour. “This is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” This is the open fountain of life for the world. ST April 8, 1897, par. 2
I really wish I could highlight on these posts. Maybe Brother Andy Roman can make that a future upgrade? In the above, I want you to notice that after saying “In him (Christ) was life, original, unborrowed, underived” she says that man can possess this same life through Christ as a free gift! Hallelujah! But wait, what does that mean to the concept of the godhead club, or for that matter the trinity. Most SDA trinitarians and tritheists will use a similar quote by Sister White from the Desire of Ages, but won’t come near to this one in Signs of the Times. Why is that? Is it ignorance, or is it because it is highly inconvenient to their doctrinal position? Personally, I’ve learned to relish when I come across something that crosses me, partly because it’s happened so many times already, but mostly because it means that God is trying to reveal something to me that I have misinterpreted previously. It is in that spirit that I hope you take this. Remember that when something contradictory comes to our attention, it is not our position to criticize the inspired text, but rather to reflect inwardly to discover where our preconceived ideas are preventing us from seeing the beauty of the full picture of truth. Thus, when this little quote hit me across the face, I had no other choice than to reconsider whether the possession of life original, unborrowed and underived is one of the qualifying characteristic for Godhood, otherwise I would be virtually declaring that I will be like God someday, when I receive the free gift that same immortal life from Christ. That is too close to Satan’s statement to Eve, so I run in the opposite direction.
With all this laid out, your final statement on this section indicated that true Seventh-day Adventists believe in the “Godhead.” I hope you can see that the basis for such a statement is shaky at best; for how can a true SDA believe in something that:
A. Is not defined explicitly in Scripture
B. Requires that there be many gods in contradiction to Scripture
C. States that these gods (who are presumably all equal in nature and existence) are acting out parts, or pretending to take submissive roles, thus making them liars
D. And depends on a qualifying characteristic of “life original unborrowed and underived” for each that isn’t directly stated for one of them (Holy Spirit) but is directly stated to be something that the redeemed will possess as a free gift?
My brother, it is hard to kick against the pricks…
3. Holy Spirit: An impersonal force.
This section was the hardest for me to understand from the explanation you provided. I am unaware of a single Seventh-day Adventist non-trinitarian that considers the Holy Spirit to be an “impersonal force,” and I’ve been talking about this for many years with many people across many states. Basically, this is a strawman argument that has been built up by those in positions of influence and leadership in the church which has then trickled down to the membership. I do not cast stones at you for using the argument, but do wish that people wouldn’t use it and could acknowledge it to be based on pink polka dotted flying unicorn, at least so far as Seventh-day Adventism is concerned. It is very easy to tear apart a strawman because that is the very purpose for which they are built.
I also was left confused by your conclusion that this strawman is the same thing as the Trinity doctrine. With the “impersonal force” bit set aside, the one could not be further from the other. The Trinity doctrine demands that there are three persons (not beings or individuals, but persons – whatever that means) who are coequal, coeternal and consubstantial. This definition has been established through millennia of war, bloodshed, persecution, defamation, and every other evil manifestation of the sinful nature of mankind. We are not at liberty, so far as the use of language is concerned, to alter the definition of words, particularly such a word as trinity that carries so much historical baggage with it. If, as you correctly noted, Christ was begotten way back in eternity (this is the position which was held by the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist church and is reflected in scripture as we will shortly see), then Christ is not coeternal with the Father. They are not the same. If we wish to avoid the characterization of antichrist that we previously read from 1 John, then we must confess that Jesus is the literal Son of God the Father and that God the Father is the literal father of Christ. This point is amply confirmed both by scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy. So then if Christ is the literal son of God, then He cannot be consubstantial to the Father. They are distinct beings or individuals. Not the same again. I’m not going to get into the coequal part, because that would take a whole sidebar to document. For now, we will be satisfied with demonstrating 2 out of 3. The conclusion is decisive that these are not even remotely the same, in fact, they are opposites!
Another part of the strawman is to characterize those that do not subscribe to a third individual “member” of the “Godhead” or otherwise a Third Person of the trinity being, is to call them anti-Holy Spirit or some variant. My brother, this is a crude and incorrect characterization and it demonstrates an inability or lack of desire to weigh evidence that is unfamiliar in favor of tossing people into a belittling category. We must not treat others in this way, even if we do not agree, for it may be that we as the ones casting people into such categories may one day find ourselves to be the ones in error. I know that it was not your intention to denigrate me or anyone else that doesn’t believe as you do, but that can be how it is perceived. I can assure you that I am a well-adjusted person with at least average intelligence and that there are many others like me who have studied deeply into the subject, spending many years and shedding many tears in the process. Isn’t it possible that you might be in error?
You appear to stand firmly upon the writings of Sister White. I hope you agree with me that the same Spirit that inspired Paul, Jeremiah, John, and Moses (to name a few) is the Spirit that inspired Sister White. If so, then I know that you agree with her statement previously referenced that the truths she was shown would extend like a line all the way to our entrance into the city of God. I also know that you must then accept that God does not change nor alter the thing that he has once spoken (Psalm 89:34, Mal 3:6). What then will you do with the following statements from the inspired pen?
“The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.” SpTA10 37.1
Now compare the previous quote with the following and see if it is reconcilable in a tritheist or trinitarian mindset.
“Jesus alone has power to save from sin, to free from the power of evil; and to doubt him who has laid down his life for us, is to grieve and insult the Father, who has in one gift poured out all heaven to a lost world.” RH February 10, 1891, par. 5
To the tritheist or the trinitarian, these two quotes would seem difficult to settle, but when one becomes acquainted with the Biblical fact that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God the Father, and that the Father has given to Christ the promise of his Holy Spirit (Acts 2:32-33, Titus 3:5-6) without measure, which then is shed forth from Christ to his disciples, the two quotes are in perfect harmony.
“Let them be thankful to God for His manifold mercies and be kind to one another. They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit—the Spirit of Christ—is to bring unity into their ranks.” 9T 189.3
“Christ is to be known by the blessed name of Comforter. ‘The Comforter,’ said Christ to His disciples, ‘which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you, [John 14:26 quoted]” —17LtMs, Ms 7, 1902, par. 10
“The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be.” 8MR 49.3
“We want the Holy Spirit, which is Jesus Christ.” 9LtMs, Lt 66, 1894, par. 18
The last two quotes are quite direct and unmistakable. Please explain how the “Godhead” tritheist and/or the trinitarian can explain them. Yet, when we lay down the unproveable ideas that have been implanted in our heads through years of endless repetition by church leaders of three in one and one in three, it becomes clear that the Holy Spirit is the mind, power and personal presence of the very life of God that the Father sends to us through His Son. Isn’t this exactly what we read from Acts 2:32-33?
“The Father gave his Spirit without measure to his Son, and we also may partake of its fulness. Jesus says: “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” RH November 5, 1908, par. 4
The Spirit is not a separate being of the “Godhead” club who is sent, it is the very life of God coming to us through His Son.
“’I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you.’ The divine Spirit that the world’s Redeemer promised to send, is the presence and power of God. ST November 23, 1891, par. 1
Let’s finish the rest of the paragraph from the above quote to see if there is any shred of evidence to suggest that the Spirit is an individual separate from the Father and Christ.
“I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you.” The divine Spirit that the world’s Redeemer promised to send, is the presence and power of God. He will not leave his people in the world destitute of his grace, to be buffeted by the enemy of God, and harassed by the oppression of the world; but he will come to them. The world cannot see the truth; they know not the Father or the Son, but it is only because they do not desire to know God, they do not wish to look upon Jesus, to see his goodness, his love, his heavenly attractions. Jesus is inviting all men to accept him; and wherever the heart is open to receive him, he will come in, gladdening the soul with the light and joy of his presence.” ST November 23, 1891, par. 1
The truth is such a beautiful thing. It never requires the ideas of men to explain. It always is supported by Scripture and complements all of God’s word. I would recommend reading the entire article just referenced in Signs of the Times titled “The Comforter.” It’s all about Christ.
The question might arise, how can it be that the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of God and yet also the Spirit of Christ in the Bible? Which is it? Well, it’s both. The Spirit is the power and life of God which the Father has given to his Son – John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. That life is the original, unborrowed and underived life that is exclusively the property of God. Christ possess it as his own, yet it was given to him by the Father according to Scripture. Likewise, we have already seen that the promise of the Father was to give his Spirit to Christ. Thus, the omnipresent and omnipotent Spirit and life of God is Christ’s possession. This is why the Bible speaks of the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ even in the same verse.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Father and Son are united in one Spirit. Ellen White confirms this:
“From eternity there was a complete unity between the Father and the Son. They were two, yet little short of being identical; two in individuality, yet one in spirit, and heart, and character.” YI December 16, 1897, par. 5
“By the Spirit the Father and the Son will come and make their abode with you.” BE January 15, 1893, par. 8
“Let them study the seventeenth of John, and learn how to pray and how to live the prayer of CHRIST. HE is THE Comforter. He will abide in their hearts, making their joy full.” — RH, January 27, 1903
“As by faith we look to Jesus, our faith pierces the shadow, and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving JESUS THE COMFORTER.” — MR 19, p. 297.3
“Christ is to be known by the blessed name of Comforter. “The Comforter,” said Christ to His disciples, “which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you, [John 14:26 quoted]” — Manuscript 7, January 26, 1902
The quotes from Sister White of this nature are nearly endless. We could write volumes about her references to the Spirit as “it.” We could look up even more where she declares things like “The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted.” (YI July 7, 1898). We could read in the Story of Redemption how “Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to God’s dear Son.” (SR 13.1) Look them up. Read them in context. You very quickly dismissed the link that Brother Alan previously posted for you… Did you look at it to see if these things might be true? Your comment back to him three hours later was that “such things…never sway me.” Why is that? You must not ignore points of truth, for many have perished and will perish for so doing. Do not mistake what I am saying as an attempt to pit Sister White against Sister White. God forbid. What I am calling for is a reconciliation, which will not be possible so long as we cling stubbornly, even hard-headedly to our preconceived ideas placed in our heads by men through indoctrination. We must permit the Spirit of Christ to indwell and guide us into all truth. This is my prayer for you.
I am posting this treatise after many hours of writing in the hopes that you will see this, endure through the end and that it will serve to guide you into a decision to study the matter further for yourself. This is a matter of life and death. It is not a side issue. Our eternal cases weigh in the balance on this matter.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
All good except for I don’t believe that He gave up His equality, as you quoted, “Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant,…” He was both God and man mysteriously combined in one Being (the Son of God, and the Son of man).
Amen
If the Brother is teaching contrary to the following Scriptures…then he is in error. The Godhead can be compared to the United States Government. (President, Congress, Supreme Court) … Three co-equal parts…but one Government. The Bible is clear…Jesus (The Word) gave up that equality and became a human being, with flesh and bones…and blood, and gave up His life and made the atonement…for in order to save Mankind, He had to die for him.
Hebrews 9:22
And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
John 1:1
John
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2
The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2:7
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:8
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
The way the denomination now teaches about the Godhead is becoming more like the Catholics, and trinitarians. However, the SOP, and the bible makes it abundantly clear, in many quotes, that there are Three Persons of the Godhead, each with their own personality. SOP never used the word trinity, though, to describe its doctrine. Though it teaches three Persons of the Godhead, it does not teach the trinity. There’s a vast difference. The trinity teaches that originally there was only the Father. Then He divided Himself to become also the Son. Then He futher divided Himself to become also the Holy Spirit. SOP, and the Bible teaches that all three existed from all eternity. So, antitrinitarian is actually closer to catholic, and trinitarian doctrine, by saying that Jesus didn’t always exist, and was born in heaven, and that the Holy Spirit is not a separate Person, with its own Personality.
So why was he disfellowshipped? Let’s start there. Also, the letter says he is not allowed to “use SDA songs.” It doesn’t say “sing hymns.” Is he starting his own Adventist church and wanting to take hymnal books with him? Do we know? More information please.
{Satan Controls the Mind That Controls.–To advocate the science of mind cure is opening a door through which Satan will enter to take possession of mind and heart.
Satan controls both the mind that is given up to be controlled by another and the mind that controls. }
God was able to deliver Daniel from the Lions den when He worshipped God in prayer even though it was deemed illegal,
Certain there is no law to stop him from singing Hymns (yet)
People need to be honest with themselves
If you do not agree with SDA teachings, don’t go and claim to be SDA when trying to reach out to others. Do it in your own name, or join some other group who shares your beliefs. But don’t claim to be SDA if you don’t believe in the Trinity.
Brother, what you are saying is no different than what all Trinitarian Christian denominations claim, and that is that you are not a Christian if you don’t believe in a Trinity.
I don’t think God considers those who force the conscience and make a human creed the test for membership to a church and ultimately for salvation, to be those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
Anyone, Trinitarian or non Trinitarian can harbor a spirit of intolerance toward the other, and either one can be doing the work of the enemy.
God will remove the tares in his own good time, and I believe from the spirit that is being revealed in our church (the church militant), that that time is very near.
Ted’s father was Neil C. Wilson, who as the GC vice president when he made this statement under oath in a court
hearing: “Although it is true that there was a period in the life of the Seventh-day Adventist Church when the
denomination took a distinctly anti-Roman Catholic viewpoint, and the term ‘hierarchy’ was used in a pejorative sense
to refer to the papal form of church governance, that attitude on the church’s part was nothing more than a
manifestation of widespread anti-popery among conservative Protestant denominations in the early part of this
century and the latter part of the last, and which has now been consigned to the historical trash heap so far as the
Seventh-day Adventist Church is concerned.” EEOC vs PPPA and GC, Civil Case #74-2025 CBR (1975)
So Ted’s father, Neil, hated the spreading of truth about the great whore of Babylon, and instead wanted to protect the
papacy from identification. He was later voted in as president. Neil wanted the world to “wonder after the beast.” Neil also described the Adventist conference: “…there is another universal and truly catholic organization, the Seventh-day
Adventist Church.” Adventist Review, March 5, 1981, p 3.
“…They (the SDA General Conference) are following in the track of Romanism.” TM 359-362. “We must not follow the majority for if we do we shall not see heaven.”
-E.G. White, Manuscript 43, 1886. “The position of the Adventists seems to some of us in certain cases to be a new position.” -Eternity Magazine, Sept. 1956, by
Donald Barnhouse. “Adventism… has undergone a very definite evolution…” -Ibid., Oct. 1956. “In 1891 our (SDA) church leaders got rid of Ellen White by sending her
to Australia.” -Robert Olson, Ellen White Estate Director, in a letter dated July 2, 1986. “…It should be carefully remembered that the Adventism of 1965 is different
in not a few places from Adventism of 1845.” -Walter Martin, The Kingdom of the Cults, p. 360. Lastly, “…We are not saved as a sect; no denominational name has
any virtue to bring us into favor with God. We are saved individually as believers in the Lord Jesus Christ.” -RH Feb. 10, 1891. “It is impossible for you to unite with
those who are corrupt, and still remain pure…(2 Cor. 6:14-18 quoted)… God and Christ and the heavenly host would have man know that if he unites with the corrupt,
he will become corrupt.” -SDA 6BC 1102. Any questions?
The SDA church is ok, but the problem are these catholic pastors within.
Your article on the subject matter is dangerously biased. Seemingly you don’t know this man and the reason the church censored him together with his others. Such articles are fodder for the Beast. And people like you have fallen victim and even funded them! Save your energy and ask the church why they were censored!