According to multiple sources with knowledge of the matter, Pastor Stephen Bohr personally contacted Dr. Conrad Vine earlier this week to rescind his speaking appointment at the 2024 Secrets Unsealed Annual Summit, citing remarks Dr. Vine made at the Maine camp meeting two weeks ago. We find this a little puzzling because Pastor Stephen Bohr, who has experienced unfair speaking cancellations by multiple church conferences, is not extending to Pastor Conrad Vine the same Christian grace and courtesy that he seeks from the church.
The only difference in this case is that the conferences that have canceled Pastor Stephen Bohr have always consistently provided a public explanation for those cancellations. There were no secrets. They openly cite his opposition to women’s ordination and his advocacy of Last Generation Theology. Whether you agree or disagree with certain conferences canceling Pastor Bohr, at least they have been transparent about their decisions. Unfortunately, Secrets Unsealed Ministry has not yet disclosed the reasons for Dr. Conrad Vine’s cancellation to its supporters or summit attendees. Perhaps that secret will also be unsealed at some point.
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I believe this really shows us that its not enough to just know truth and teach truth in some spheres. We must practice truth in all spheres. Perfect case of Live not by lies, Prepare to suffer, And to suffer without hating your enemies and respecting their Liberty of Conscience. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. May we all learn this lesson well, but may we by the grace of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ practice it best because truth means nothing untill it is practiced. Let’s keep these soldiers for Christ in our prayers and for the Spirit of Truth to illumine us in the areas where our understanding is dark.
Dear Pastor, I have read the Book Last Day Events on many occasions and still reading it, as it is self explanatory to the issues that will impact the S.D.A. Church in the end time. Ellen White Stated ” I warn you to beware of side issues whose tendency is to divert the minds from the truth. Error is never harmless, never sanctifies, but always bring confusion and dissentions. Last Day Events Pg. 91. As it Relates to Dr Conrod, his Speech was very Controversial, therefore, the Spirit of God will not participate in disunity. L. D. E. Pg. 91 ” One accepts some new and original idea which does not seem to him to be clothed with beauty and importance. Satan has power to give this false appearance. it will become the great point around which everything will centers while the truth is uprooted. Men and Women will arise Professing to have some new light or Revelations, whose tendency is to create doubts or unsettled doubts in the old landmarks. We cannot be too watchful against every error for the Devil is constantly seeking to draw men from the truth. L.D.E. Pg. 91 – 92. ” I urge those who claim to believe the truth to walk in unity with each other. Do not seem to give to the world the occasion that is suggesting extremism, and that we are disunited, one teaches one thing, and one the other. Avoid dissentions “. L.D.E. Pg. 92.
Clearly the Master declared “..There is no secret that shall not be revealed”…
and you can take that to the bank!!!
Are you telling me that the secrets of secrets unsealed has been unsealed?
This is what happens when SDA pastors gain celebrity. It goes to their heads.
I’ve known Stephen Bohr since the week God called me to the sabbath and SDA church in Fairbanks, Alaska in 1994. I told him that God taught me and told me to join the SDA church and he acted all cordial, and he even asked me to be part of his ministry because I’m a sound engineer, but as soon as I mentioned his name to people that he didn’t even know, believing that he supported the things that I had shared with him, I asked him to validate the things I was sharing and he excepted my invitation to get involved. Then I found out that he said nothing but bad things about me behind my back slandering me to people he didn’t even know.
It seems there’s an epidemic of backstabbing and backbiting in this church lately.
I told Conrad Vine when he invited me to the Revelation chapter 17 seminar next year that Satan wouldn’t like him inviting me to that and immediately after I was invited all these things happened to him, the message that God gave me is supported by the testimonies and she said “this is the message Satan would have silenced”.
Isn’t it interesting that you also use your influence against this message brother Andy.
Get out of that church and ask the Lord to save you
I’m really not surprised by Pastor Bohr’s actions. After all, he did promote the shot, and he has a Dr. on staff. I used to listen to Pastor Bohr a lot in the past, but it appears his bright light is going dim and I won’t listen to him any more.
Why lie on Pastor Bohr and say he PROMOTED the vaccine? He did not.
Pastor Bohr gives a “soft” approval of the vaccine in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMbAf6GxNhU
Bohr also includes a quote from D.E. Robinson from 1931 stating Ellen White herself was vaccinated against small pox. This account was given long after Ellen White was dead and unable to support or refute and to which there are no other collaborators to support Robinson’s account.
“In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” 2 Corinthians 13:1
Not only that, Mr. Robinson’s account is not only not backed up by any of Sister White’s writing but, in fact, directly contradicts what little Sister White did write about vaccines, including how her son’s health was adversely affected after receiving a vaccination.
By quoting someone giving (an unsupported) account that gives the appearance that Sister White was vaccinated (despite her writings that would contradicted this account), Pastor Bohr gives the impression that he supports vaccinations.
“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?” Genesis 3:1
Now I am NOT saying Pastor Bohr is the devil but merely quoting the above that it is possible to subtly direct someone into a line of thinking contrary to the truth without explicitly saying so outright.
Yes he did. If not promoted, supported has he in any case.
I distinctly remember he was not against it. View the latest video by Prophesy Again Ministry. At the 30min mark it shows a clip of Steven Bohr speaking in favor, justifying, the ‘prick’.
There’s a video of him uplifting the Babylonian poison here:
https://youtu.be/XMbAf6GxNhU?feature=shared
First minute was good he mentioned new start,…but then he uplifted Jesuit created vaccines.
Watch it before the GC DAMAGE CONTROL deletes it!
Liar. He did not
Pr Vine only reiterated what is in the SOP. Sister White says in last days people are divided. The people who will be the worst, are our own church members.
Let me preface, I have worked many outbreaks, and have racked up hundreds of vaccines administered. I graduated in Public Health from LLU in Infectious diseases and a number of years later strated the ID Bioweapons Epi program in Berkeley.
A vaccine takes ~>10 yr to come to market.
PCR tests do not diagnose disease.
The RNA sequencing encoding into DNA is AMALGAMATION.
They cannot dictate what goes into my body. In NC Gov Abbott were taking 12yo out of school and vaccinating them without parent consent.
This delivery system was meant to target specific receptors to deliver Chemo Therapy 1980’s
Putting Graphene Oxide (GO) into the shot & into our food… makes us antennas that can stimulated the C19 nanoparticles to self assemble. LaQuinta Columnea out of Spain found they were testing the technology and gave people lethal heart attacks.
I think it is short sited of Pastor Bohr to side with taking or not taking the shot. How many exemptions did Pastor Bohr sign off on. Further, Pastor may not know what is happening in EU, Asia, UK and others under their sovereign.
Potomac Conferance has endorsed LGBTQ.
Maybe there will be a split in the church.
I know, I personally vouched for Pr Bohr coming out to NC after he had been cancelled in Henderson NC.
Pr Vine is giving a warning that was lead by the HS.
Who is Pr Bohr to say it was not divinely inspired. Lots os strange things, having a underground church is not much different in having a home church… and where I live,, we have not been able to attend because of distance.
The churches and conferences have records on who pays tithe – they share that with the church nominating board and you cannot even get on church board from censorship.
This issue is multifaceted and personally I know both of these pastors to be good and conservative men, and leaders.
We are on the early side of the time of trouble, and we don’t need two of the very few people preaching the Third Angles fighting.
My personal thoughts
They have 4 bioweapons out there
C19
Mpox
Avian Flu H5N2
And now Eastern Equine Encephalitis
Oligarchs are trying to scare us…
We are the Gulocks today.
Get ready folks, before 2025 gets here, a lot is going to change
Well said!
Hi, Could you please elaborate more about the “Amalgamation” point? Thank you
Unbelievable you have played into the hands of the devil and he used you for his dirty work! Congratulations!
You have taken care of getting a lot of people away from truths the could have heard! Guess you’re proud of yourself for that!
I like and respect both men. They should join forces.
Wasn’t Rv. St-Borhn who encourage the C-19 vaccine. ,,,
Wasn’t Rv. Borhn who joke & laught when he was asked if he thinks we live in the last days, who was also invited by a pentecostal woman,,(Dominican Republic Radio Station) see Fulcrum 7 on Jun21
Wasn’t Rv. St-Borhn who encourage the C-19 vaccine. ,,,
Wasn’t Rv. Borhn who joke & laught when he was asked if he thinks we live in the last days,,,(. Republica Dominicana .radio Station)Fulcrum 7 june 21
I applaud Dr Conrad Vine’s courage in addressing our denomination’s ill-judged respone to the “plandemic” and in calling our leaders to repent for what they did. These men need eye salve that they may see more clearly the wiles of the devil instead of hastily partnering with him to damage to the name of God and the body of Christ!
God will arouse His people; if other means fail, heresies will come in among them, which will sift them, separating the chaff from the wheat. The Lord calls upon all who believe His word to awake out of sleep. Precious light has come, appropriate for this time. It is Bible truth, showing the perils that are right upon us. This light should lead us to a diligent study of the Scriptures and a most critical examination of the positions which we hold. God would have all the bearings and positions of truth thoroughly and perseveringly searched, with prayer and fasting. Believers are not to rest in suppositions and ill-defined ideas of what constitutes truth. Their faith must be firmly founded upon the word of God so that when the testing time shall come and they are brought before councils to answer for their faith they may be able to give a reason for the hope that is in them, with meekness and fear. 5T 707.3
Agitate, agitate, agitate. The subjects which we present to the world must be to us a living reality. It is important that in defending the doctrines which we consider fundamental articles of faith we should never allow ourselves to employ arguments that are not wholly sound. These may avail to silence an opposer, but they do not honor the truth. 5T 708.1
“Never was there greater need of faithful warnings and reproofs … than at this very time. Satan has come down with great power, knowing that his time is short. He is flooding the world with pleasing fables, and the people of God love to have smooth things spoken to them…. I was shown that God’s people must make more firm, determined efforts to press back the incoming darkness. The close work of the Spirit of God is needed now as never before.” 5T 676.3
I am disappointed to hear the justification of Pr Steven Bohr (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A4nHbIpZL0) for canceling Dr Vine particularly as he too has been canceled by others for holding views which they consider to be divisive!
It seems to me that Pr Bohr has not accepted the possibility that Holy Spirit that may be using Pr Vine to deal with these matters just as He used John the Baptist as a voice crying in the wilderness to prepare his church for the coming of the Lord!
The idea that the conferences “that go woke should go broke” seems to me to be in harmony with principles that are set forth in both the Bible and the writings of Ellen White.
In the parable of the talents we find a good example of this principle.
The servant that did not make wise use of the resources entrusted to him had it taken from him and given to one that did.
I also find it interesting that what seems to have gotten us into this mess in the first place was money and that this is also at the root of the current controversy!
The church appears to have complied with the state over the plandemic to sustain it’s financial support from them. And they even accepted furlough monies (UK equivalent of the CARES – Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security) from governments to support the work of ministry yet the principle of tithing that has been sold to us is that it should be the only means by which ministers can be financially supported!
Now the desire to maintain the tithe income coming into the conferences at any cost is what is at the heart of the latest controversy. Notice that Bohr’s contention is not with Vine’s well known position on and repudiation of the denomination’s plandemic response but with Vine’s suggestion of a redirection of the tithe to support conferences that are actually doing what it is intended to support!
We need to re-study the tithe issue as it seems to me that for many of us our understanding and practice of tithing is not in harmony with Biblical principles and intent.
The financial support of the gospel ministry (and it is questionable whether this support was ever monetary in the Biblical tithing system) was never intended to support the office of the minister but rather the work of ministry. In other words only those that are actually “minister about holy things” should benefit from it!
1 Cor 9:9 – For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
1 Cor 9:13-14 – Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
Those that claim to “minister about holy things” by virtue of their appointment but are not actually doing so should be defunded and cast out as “wicked and slothful” servants! And the resources that they would have received redirected to those that are doing God’s bidding.
Mat 25:26-29 – His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Sis White also has statements that seem in essence to be saying the say thing:-
“So often the same old difficulties arise and are presented in regard to disturbing the “regular lines.” But God will work in some way to make His people understand that the regular lines have become full of irregular practices.
… I want my brethren to begin to understand some things for themselves. God alone, by the quickening, vivifying influence of His Holy Spirit, can enable men to distinguish between the sacred and the common. God alone can make men understand that working on regular lines has led to irregular practices. God alone can make men’s minds as they should be. The time has come when we should hear less in favor of the regular lines. If we can get away from the regular lines into something which, though irregular, is after God’s order, it may cut away something of the irregular working which has led away from Bible principles.” 16LtMs, Lt 65, 1901, par. 15 – 16LtMs, Lt 65, 1901, par. 17
And when she uses the words “regular lines” in this way she is commenting on the practice of tithing through our conferences.
If the work in this field had in the past been recognized by the General Conference, if the help had been given that the importance of the field demands, there would be some reason why the work should be carried in the regular lines. But in many parts of the South the regular lines cannot now be followed. Every dollar of the tithe raised in the South should be used in the South, and besides this, additional help will be needed. The past showing of the General Conference with regard to the Southern field is a very poor one. The work has been hindered in such a way that God has been greatly dishonored. The strange neglect of the Southern field is a startling rebuke to those who bear the name of Seventh-day Adventist. 16LtMs, Lt 59, 1901, par. 2
Therefore “irregular lines” must speak of financing the gospel work through tithing other than through our conferences and in other quotes (as th one above) she says that a time will become necessary for this to happen!
“The tithe should go to those who labor in word and doctrine, be they men or women.”—Manuscript 149, 1899. Ev 492.2
“It would be poor policy to support from the treasury of God those who really mar and injure His work, and who are constantly lowering the standard of Christianity.” 3T 553.2
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,, Dr. Conrad Vine has been really leal when it comes to preaching the true
Certainly not DOUBT the enemy wants to stop him someway!
For those who support Conrad vine: Are you aware that he leaves spiritual formation in a very subtle form into some of his sermons? He teaches subtle methodologist regarding Bible, reading, journaling, and other methods that align with Jesuit Spiritual formation. He doesn’t openly teach it under this name, but the methodologies are none the less the same. In one sermon, he praised Dietrich Boenhoeffer For being”hero”. Boenhoeffer Was executed by the Nazis because he participated in a plot to a kill it off Hitler. He was infatuated with and thought about becoming a Catholic. He believed in communism ecumenism And was very sympathic with the Catholic liturgy. This is Conrad, vine praises, and quotes In a very favorable and positive light. Remember that Jesuit infiltrate and seek to dismantle the organization from within they often times as martyr and come across as very humble. Conrad vine in disguise, even if he is not some of his ideas, align with thinking there is no excuse for teaching, subtle spiritual formation practices.
We are all members of God’s family. This family which which was established by my Lord Jesus Christ. As such, we are led by his Holy Spirit. And one of the most important messages given by our Lord and constantly revisited by the Holy Spirit is to do all things in love. No matter what your thoughts are concerning this matter, they should be expressed in love if expressed at all. Remember always, it is against the rulers of darkness of this age that we struggle with. Those rulers are not in this church. However, in their subtle ways, they will attempt to destroy the family using us without or full understanding. Always remember, we who are in the church are in just as much need, if not more so, of God’s love, grace and mercy. Especially in these times. God’s love, peace, grace and understanding to all who read this. It is written out of love and as a means of showing my love for all of.