Pastor Stephen Bohr’s cancellation of Dr. Conrad Vine’s appearance at his upcoming symposium is the result of the same woke ideology that led to his and others’ support for the Covid vaccine mandates, violating freedom of conscience and causing irreparable damage to millions. © ThamKC, Envato Market
By Arnie Suntag
The controversy surrounding Pastor Stephen Bohr’s cancellation of Dr. Conrad Vine’s appearance at a Secrets Unsealed symposium is just another example of how woke ideology has created division in our church, as well as in our society at large. During the 1980’s, Yuri Bezmenov, a KGB informant who defected to Canada, tried to warn America about a stratagem known as demoralization – an insidious process designed to turn the reasoning and critical thinking skills of Americans upside-down as a first step in creating disunity and ultimately revolution. This process has now become so entrenched in the Seventh-day Adventist Church, that even the facts that are right under our noses have become muddled.
The dispute surrounding Dr. Vine’s cancellation is not really the result of the obvious church politics, particularly the knee-jerk reaction that occurs every time the subject of the tithe is brought into the picture. Rather, it is about a nefarious process that has been going on in our church for decades. That process is the evisceration of the Spirit of Prophecy and the misapplication of scripture for the purpose of foisting woke ideology on millions of unsuspecting Seventh-day Adventists.
Granted, we are now aware of Pastor Bohr’s denial that his cancellation of Dr. Vine from his event roster had anything to do with Vine’s comments about the handling of the Covid-19 mandates by General Conference leadership. Bohr’s criticism of what he called “the rumor mill” that linked his controversial decision to Dr. Vine’s position on the Covid vaccine, while perhaps sounding plausible to some, contains rather obvious flaws. For one thing, if it had nothing to do with Dr. Vine’s position on the GC’s management of the Covid vaccine issue, why didn’t Pastor Bohr, or for that matter anyone in the GC leadership, ever step forward to recant their position on what has now become recognized as the most glaring violation of freedom of conscience ever imposed by the church’s administrative body on faithful Seventh-day Adventists worldwide? The answer is obvious. These individuals have not changed their position. They do not consider objections about the vaccine to have anything to do with religious liberty. For that matter, they apparently still believe the vaccine is safe and necessary. Why? Because they place more faith in Big Pharma and a corrupt healthcare industry than in the counsels found in the Spirit of Prophecy. It is remarkable that those in the secular world who have risked their reputations to expose the deceptions that have taken countless lives, have had virtually no impact on those in leadership roles within our church. Just recently, Tucker Carlson interviewed Casey Means, a Stanford-educated surgeon and her brother Calley, a lobbyist for the pharmaceutical and food industries. They left their respective careers when they realized how many people had died because of their involvement in these institutions. What they openly revealed to millions on Tucker’s program should raise the hair on the back of anyone’s neck. But not those in church leadership, apparently. The stones are crying out while those who claim to be Seventh-day Adventists are bowing the knee to Baal-pharma.
The explanation given by Pastor Bohr for canceling Dr. Vine capitalizes on a sensitive issue – the tithe – while the real truth is about Bohr’s rationalization and his convenient smokescreen to cover up his support of science so-called. Nonetheless, let’s consider the tithe issue. Is Pastor Bohr suggesting that pastors and those in leadership roles should be paid from God’s treasury for committing blasphemy and leading their congregations astray? Apparently so. Unfortunately, this is also the mindset of millions of other Seventh-day Adventists who firmly believe that the storehouse of Malachi 3:10 represents the Conference – and the Conference only. Whether those who are on the receiving end of these funds are working against Biblical counsel or not does not matter to them. This paradoxical mindset ignores the fundamental purpose for the tithe as expressed in scripture. Simply stated, the tithe is reserved to support those who are working to disseminate the true Gospel in accordance with the counsels prescribed by God’s Word – not for those who are working against it and blaspheming the same. Of course, those in church leadership who are complicit in supporting corrupt worldly ideologies and false narratives would insist that the Conference is the storehouse and that the tithe must flow into their coffers only. What would one expect? They are being paid from those coffers! Thus, they expend great effort to disseminate official statements and carefully crafted narratives to delineate where the tithe should go, and through controversies like the one surrounding Dr. Vine, showcase the consequences of challenging the common narrative. It is this stratagem of immense magnitude that has allowed apostacy to flourish in the church because the culprits are provided with a continuous stream of revenue from which to accomplish their irreverent goals.
The defense of the vaccine mandates by Pastor Bohr and GC leaders resulted in the loss of jobs, homes, and even the lives of faithful Seventh-day Adventists. Dr. Vine’s position on the matter is in dire contrast to Bohr’s, providing the impetus for Bohr’s decision to cancel Dr. Vine. © Drazenphoto, Envato Market
Although Pastor Bohr does not get paid from the Conference coffers, he nonetheless supports, along with many others, the delusional reasoning that the tithe should be blindly submitted so that those in leadership can be paid no matter what transgressions they commit. This is a woke interpretation of scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy. It is upside-down reasoning. It is the same penchant that many seem to have for methodically following their understanding of Biblical principle even when the consequences prove to defy that very same principle. A perfect example is the defense of the vaccine mandates. Pastor Bohr and GC leaders alike framed their promotion of the vaccine as being part of the Seventh-day Adventist health message when in fact it is diametrically opposed to it. The mRNA technology could not be farther from the natural remedies that God provided. Nonetheless, from the perspective of those who have been deluded by scientific secularism, it sounds good enough as a defense to coerce others to follow such perverse directives.
Many seem to have forgotten the fact that Sister White herself at times redirected tithe to those who needed it in order to support the work. She was quite outspoken about the mismanagement of these funds by the Conference back in her day – a far cry from the sheer apostacy supported by the tithe today. Of course, this is something the Conference would prefer to be buried. Naturally, Sister White’s comments are not particularly appreciated by the church leadership because they hit too close to home:
“It is working upon wrong principles that has brought the cause of God into its present embarrassment. The people have lost confidence in those who have the management of the work. Yet we hear that the voice of the Conference is the voice of God. Every time I have heard this, I have thought it was almost blasphemy. The voice of the Conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not, because some in connection with it are not men of faith and prayer, they are not men of elevated principle. There is not a seeking of God with the whole heart; there is not a realization of the terrible responsibility that rests upon those in this institution to mold and fashion minds after the divine similitude.” Manuscript 37, 1901, p. 8 (April, 1901, Talk by Mrs. E. G. White in the Review Chapel regarding the Southern work). { ChL 20.4}
Pastor Bohr’s official video statement argued that Dr. Vine’s comments associated with tithing was the reason for canceling his appearance at the Secrets Unsealed symposium. However, history paints a different picture.
With regard to Dr. Vine’s innuendo that perhaps the laity should form their own organization, I believe this is being grossly misinterpreted. People need to take the blinders off. Regardless of which political party ultimately prevails in the months to come, Pastor Bohr and others honestly seem to believe that we will all be comfortably seated in SDA churches on Sabbath as the structure of our society morphs into a type of totalitarian regime. Is it mere conjecture that those who do not follow government regulations will be persecuted? Is it rational to expect that our current organizational structure will continue unscathed? Sunday legislation is already being widely agitated in legislative halls and the World Health Organization is aggressively pushing a pandemic accord whereby forced vaccinations and lockdowns may soon become a reality. We’ve seen this happen already. What more proof do we need? And keep in mind these measures are only the beginning. Just read The Great Controversy. Let’s be honest about this. Conference leadership will not defend religious liberty when the next crisis arrives despite it being a pillar of our church’s foundation. They have already proven this. We need to stop making the Conference synonymous with “the church.” The true church is the people, not the buildings or the organizational structure. The Conference may in fact be gone one day, but not the Advent Movement. The Church Militant is not going to endure to the end. We will by necessity return to primitive godliness, where the Gospel will be preached in small home churches and even from door to door, oftentimes employing the same clandestine approach as that of the Waldenses. This last days movement will include those in today’s Conference who are actually sincere in their faith, but it will surely not include those who have made position, power, and a generous paycheck of paramount importance in their decision-making. The same applies to pastors, like Stephen Bohr, who defend the woke madness. We can only pray that these people will do what is right and repent of their trespasses.
Dr. Vine’s challenge to the GC took courage and true intestinal fortitude. He stood for the truth knowing full well that it could result in serious consequences. Yet, in Pastor Bohr’s mind, and in the minds of those in GC leadership, Dr. Vine is a rebel. He went too far this time. He dared to defy the GC’s authority, and this must simply be squelched. His history of challenging the Covid mandates by pointing out the lack of appropriate intervention by GC leadership, cannot be permitted to proliferate. Right or wrong, he is a threat to the status quo, and he needs to be censored one way or another. Pastor Bohr was doing the GC a favor by blocking Dr. Vine from his platform.
Let’s face it, none of this controversy involving Pastor Bohr and Dr. Vine would have happened had it not been for the fact that Vine tackled the elephant in the room at the Northern Maine Campmeeting. There is no getting around it, particularly since the entire thrust of Dr. Vine’s message was the malfeasance involved in the GC’s management of the vaccine mandates. It is rather pathetic that those in both the Conference and those in the independent ministries like Pastor Bohr’s who supported the Covid mandates and urged their supporters to get the jab, have not stepped forward to apologize for violating sacred trusts despite today’s overwhelming revelations about the corrupt science and collusion behind the pandemic. After all, this is not a small matter. Lives were lost. The very least one would expect from those professing to follow Christ is a sincere apology and an offering of condolences. But this has not happened to date. It is a staggering testimonial to how hypocritical these individuals have become in their efforts to preach the Gospel. They have bought into the woke agenda hook, line, and sinker, and have misled or summarily mistreated millions of faithful Seventh-day Adventists with complete impunity. In fact, they have in effect been rewarded by an uninterrupted flow of income from the tithe.
Before Covid-19 came along, I respected Pastor Bohr and his ministry. But just as those in GC leadership did when the rubber met the road during the pandemic, he sold out. I realize there are many who simply refuse to believe this. However, all one has to do is to watch Pastor Bohr’s official statement on the Covid vaccine from 2021, which can still be found on YouTube, and it becomes apparent that he not only endorsed the vaccine, but implied that those who refused it placed others at risk. In that statement, Bohr quoted one of Sister White’s comments from Ministry of Healing involving the importance of the rules of health in combating disease. Yet, in the very same breath, he went on to say that “it might surprise many to learn that Ellen White and her secretaries received the smallpox vaccine when there was an epidemic in her day.” This supposedly earth-shattering revelation came from comments made by D.E. Robinson, one of Sister White’s secretaries in 1931 – sixteen years after Sister White’s death. Apparently, Bohr and others in leadership positions, including many in the GC, who touted such uninspired hearsay, felt that this statement cinched their argument in support of Big Pharma. This rather ridiculous perspective is yet another example of the impact of woke ideology, in which critical thinking and rational reasoning are turned inside-out, replacing the patently obvious with flimsy out-on-a-limb narratives. We have seen plenty of such cockeyed arguments during Congressional hearings in recent days. Even in the midst of the confusion during the early days of Covid, any rational individual would stop and question whether someone like Sister White would actually kowtow to the practice of conventional medicine while at the same time making comments like this one:
“There is need to educate the people in right habits of living. Put no confidence in drug medicine. If every particle of it were buried in the great ocean, I would say Amen. Our physicians are not working on the right plan. A reform is needed which will go deeper and be more thorough.” {SpM 45.1}
Pastor Bohr released an official video statement in January, 2021 implying that the Covid vaccine is safe, that it is supported by the Spirit of Prophecy, and that taking the vaccine is altruistic. It is the smoking gun in the current controversy, since it stands in dire contrast to Dr. Vine’s perspective.
Sister White’s writings on health are rife with negative commentary on conventional medicine and drugs. Indeed, suggesting that she did an about-face, took the smallpox vaccine, and even recommended its use, would make her a hypocrite and seriously diminish the credibility of her writings. But in an effort to grab for straws in order to support a flawed argument, Pastor Bohr, right along with Ted Wilson, Ganoune Diop, Mark Finley, and others in the GC, used whatever narrative was necessary to convince church members, and perhaps themselves, that taking the vaccine is in service of preserving health and that it is consistent with our health message. Pastor Bohr even implied in his 2021 official statement that today’s healthcare is far more advanced than it was in Sister White’s day, so we can surely rely upon it. Really? How many more people have to die from medical error, the third largest cause of death in America, not to mention the long-term impact of the Covid vaccine, in order to counter this rather convoluted narrative? The naivety of people like Pastor Bohr, right along with those in the GC, is absolutely staggering. Did any of these folks ever stop to consider the fact that mRNA technology involves the use of amalgamation, a process which Sister White staunchly depicted as “a base crime that defaces the image of God”, much less the fact that these vaccines do not bear even the slightest resemblance to traditional vaccines from decades past? At the 2022 General Conference Session, as Ted Wilson shut down any dialogue about the Covid vaccine mandates, he subtly berated those in the world church by touting the many vaccines he received in order to engage in overseas ministry efforts. Again, this implacable naivety and unbridled audacity, despite the reality that the Covid vaccine is as different from conventional vaccines as night is from day. Evidently, Pastor Bohr’s understanding of the matter equally serves to prove how many in the church today, especially those in leadership roles, when push comes to shove, will turn to modern medicine rather than to the simple remedies to preserve health that God has provided and that we should be promoting as Seventh-day Adventists.
The only reason that I was impressed to engage this subject at all, is that despite the enormity of the damage the Covid vaccine and the mandates have caused to millions, and the startling truth that is now surfacing through the mainstream media, neither Pastor Bohr, nor any of those in GC leadership have made any attempts to apologize for the damage that their misguided representations about Covid have caused, while many in the secular world have been far more forthcoming. What a statement this makes about this brand of Christianity. It is a manifestation of the woke agenda.
Let me be clear here – unions, conferences, leaders, and pastors who are supporting woke ideology should not be paid one dime from the sacred funds that come from God’s treasury. It is an affront to God. Conrad Vine could not have said it more aptly. Any of these organizations that are woke, should go broke. Money talks, and the only way to get these incalcitrant individuals to fess up and do what is right in God’s eyes is to cut off their allowance. They do need to either apologize or resign.
About the author: Arnie Suntag is the founder and president of Walk of Faith Media, an organization that offers wellness information and contemporary news through television, print, and social media. Walk of Faith Media also conducts seminars and educational series on health and disease prevention and provides outreach to the community. For inquiries or comments call (866) 359-2640 or email Arnie Suntag at arniesuntag@walkoffaithmedia.org.
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I’m saddened by this response. You are creating division when there doesn’t have to be. But I see I’m the minority when it comes to that opinion. It’s okay to disagree with others but why do we have to tear down others when they don’t fit our opinion. I believe Bohr when he says it’s about tithe. Vine said we should create a para church and have some sort of committee to send our money to who will then send it to faithful conferences. I get the idea behind it but are we aren’t called to send our money to a “committee”. Thats not biblical at all. Let God do the sifting not us. Should Vine have been canceled? Maybe, maybe not. But stop making it about one side or the other. There can be truth on both sides and both men are of God. I suggest reading Sept 1st Sabbath School lesson on the woman and two mites. The temple at that time was corrupt but did God tell people not to give money to the temple? Absolutely not! I will quote the last two paragraphs of the lesson.
“It is true that leaders have a sacred responsbility to use resources in accordance with the will of God, but even if they do not, those who give to the cause of God are still blessed in their giving, as this woman was. On the other hand, withholding tithes, or offerings, when leaders do something displeasing means that the giving is tied to their actions instead of being made in thankfulness to God. However tempting it may be to do that, it’s wrong.”
So we should shut up and put up in the name of unity?
When Jesus was preaching the heresies of the Pharisees causing huge divisions in the Jewish community was He wrong too?
It’s painful to see that people prefer comfort over truth and the pursuit of correctness. When the time comes and we’re divided into 2 classes, even within the SDA church, will you then say “let’s just do as we’re told to stop this division”? In its current state the GC neither has the moral or political standing to stop the push from the government when they push for Sunday keeping. If they won’t or can’t stand up against the government on such a small test how do you think they’ll respond in the true crisis. If we do not get on the tight track we will have to split. It’s painful but a very present truth.
Amen, sister! 🙏🏼
AMEN
I get it but that’s not what anyone is saying. What about the faithful pastors in those unfaithful conferences? Don’t they need support and the people fighting the good fight? Can you guarantee me that my money will go to a 100% faithful conference? Because you can’t. And who knows what conference or leaders will fall? Only God knows.
We are near the borders of Canaan. God does not consider pastors faithful in apostate conferences if they either:
– behind closed doors disagree with the apostasy of the conferences, but do not with the sacred responsibility they have to protect our church(the people from false doctrine and worldy principles) and uphold the fundamental beliefs and our peculiar position, take a decided stand against the sin.
– remain indifferent to the responsibilities of their sacred calling.
– support the conferences and leadership not to ruffle feathers or to keep their job and pay their bills.
There are faithful conferences, however they need to let people know where they stand.
God gives evidence for us to make an intelligent and faithful decision.
“What astonishing deception and fearful blindness had, like a dark cloud, covered Israel! This blindness and apostasy had not closed about them suddenly; it had come upon them gradually as they had not heeded the word of reproof and warning which the Lord had sent to them because of their pride and their sins. And now, in this fearful crisis, in the presence of the idolatrous priests and the apostate king, they remained neutral. If God abhors one sin above another, of which His people are guilty, it is doing nothing in case of an emergency. Indifference and neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded of God as a grievous crime and equal to the very worst type of hostility against God.
All Israel is silent.” 3T 280.3 – 3T 281.1
Right now there are pastors who have been banned, censored and fired from the conferences they worked for because they were faithful in upholding their responsibilities as Christ’s sub sheppards.
God is sifting the church separating the chaff from the wheat. But of course God is working through His faithful people to do so, and the enemy of all souls is using his subjects.
God will arouse His people; if other means fail, heresies will come in among them, which will sift them, separating the chaff from the wheat. The Lord calls upon all who believe His word to awake out of sleep. Precious light has come, appropriate for this time. It is Bible truth, showing the perils that are right upon us. This light should lead us to a diligent study of the Scriptures and a most critical examination of the positions which we hold. 5T 707.3
There is no in-between, everyone will have to choose a side. You can choose through commission or omission.
Everywhere the people are taking sides; all are ranging themselves either under the banner of truth and righteousness or under the banner of the apostate powers that are contending for the supremacy. At this time God’s message to the world is to be given with such prominence and power that the people will be brought face to face, mind to mind, heart to heart, with truth. They must be brought to see its superiority over the multitudinous errors that are pushing their way into notice, to supplant, if possible, the word of God for this solemn time. 7T 150.3
We have to demonstrate our loyalty to God. For the world, heavenly Angels and the universe are watching. What will your testimony be?
We are required to keep [His commandments,] and to demonstrate before the heavenly universe that we are obedient children, loyal and true to the government of God. We may not expect the world, who are under the power and dominion of Satan, to obey God and keep His commandments. There are but two classes in our world, the obedient and the disobedient, the holy and the unholy. When our transgressions were laid upon Jesus, He was numbered among the unholy on the sinner’s account. He became our substitute, our surety before the Father and all the heavenly angels. 7LtMs, Lt 16, 1892, par. 16
The shaking is a process, It began in 1844. The evidence form the great disappointment:
– Estimated 30,000 people in the Millerton movement
– 50 remained after the disappointment
I was pointed to the providence of God among His people and was shown that every trial made by the refining, purifying process upon professed Christians proves some to be dross. The fine gold does not always appear. In every religious crisis some fall under temptation. The shaking of God blows away multitudes like dry leaves. Prosperity multiplies a mass of professors. Adversity purges them out of the church. As a class, their spirits are not steadfast with God. They go out from us because they are not of us; for when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, many are offended. 1TT 478.2
I just published this article on my website, titled, “Should Tithes and Offerings Serve as Weapons of Protest?” https://advindicate.com/articles/draft1-9ek5h-yyxsc-xjn22-6c4dg-3l78d-gfmye
Your point about faithful pastors serving in territories dominated by opposing elements, and likely to suffer because of the boycott being suggested, is addressed in the above article.
“If a ruler hearken to lies, all his servants are wicked.” Prov. 29:12. So, all the “faithful” pastors in “unfaithful Conferences” are careful to not serve the Conference? Are they as faithful to give up the pay? Or do they let the siren-song of team-work draw their hearts away? “Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”
I agree.These days my advise to Adventist is: Divide your tithe in 2
Half Return the tithe to God thru your local church what they do with it it’s
between them & God.
The other half give it to those ministries that are really trying to spread the WORD faithfully.
Live the outcomes with God.
This is what happened in the time of Malachi
Well said.
Withholding tithe from God is indeed wrong. However, putting our tithe where it is used properly and the way God intended it to be used is absolutely our responsibility.
With all due respect to Andrew’s comment, the article by Brother Suntag does not say to withhold tithe. It alludes to placing the tithe where God’s work is actually be done, since THAT is the biblical storehouse – not the storehouse today’s GC says is the right place to put it in order to honor God and receive a blessing. I say “today’s GC” because it is not the same organization of EG White’s day. Look, it’s fine to separate doing your part in giving a tithe back to the Lord from how its recipients (Conference leaders) are using it. But if those recipients are using these sacred funds to take actions that wind up perverting the minds of our children through the LGBT agenda and gender theory, or literally causing people to lose their homes, their jobs, or their lives because of corrupt mandates, it’s no longer simply about following what we have been told by church leadership is the right thing to do. It’s about following a ceremony that defies what God would have any of us do. The actions taken by Conference leaders will ultimately come back on every single one of us, especially when the Sunday law finally arrives. Just read the Great Controversy. If Andrew and others are suggesting that God would have us follow a ceremonial effort that causes us or our loved ones grievous harm, this is not the God of the Bible that I know. I’m not trying to be facetious, but let’s put it more graphically to illustrate the point: if the children of Israel got burned up in the process of making sacrificial offerings on the altar to the Lord, would that have been acceptable in God’s eyes? Of course not. To say that Conference organizations and pastors are indisputably the only place where the tithe should go and that they represent the Biblical storehouse even when they engage in actions that blaspheme God, this is the kind of blind ceremonialism that put the Pharisees on the wrong side of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It’s also the very reason that people in today’s world are turning away from “religion” because these sorts of actions are hypocritical. Hypocrisy does not sit well with God or with most people, for that matter. Keep in mind that the LGBT movement, critical theory, and mRNA vaccines didn’t exist in EG White’s day, and even at that time she herself was troubled by the Conference’s handling of tithe monies, and at times took matters into her own hands. We are supposed to be watchmen on the wall. If we allow the sacred tithe to be used for purposes that blaspheme God, we are hypocrites – period. We are aiding and abetting those who would tear down the very pillars of our faith. The Conference line on all of this has become warped, and those who support it have become indoctrinated. It’s sad, but one has to SEE the hypocrisy in order to be able to break loose from it.
I never commented about withholding money because that’s not what Vine said. He talked about giving it to a “committee” then to faithful conference’s. How do we know every conference is faithful? And what about the faithful people in those “unfaithful” conferences?
The straight truth will cause the shaking. We cannot be silent in the face of evil.
The woman and the mite – was not about the tithe- context always matters.
I believe Bohr too. And that is why I don’t watch him. He believes in the infallibility of the Conference hierarchy, as any faithful Papist does. All Papists know that their system is desperately wicked, but it has God strapped over the barrel, and He can’t get away. In all its wickedness, it is holier than He is, so it cannot fall from being the immaculate bride of Christ. It is the Church, out of which there is no salvation. For there is no other name under heaven whereby we must be saved, but by the Church, which gave us our Savior.
You say that the author is creating division where there is no need for it? I must disagree.
“The Lord calls for men to act promptly, with the courage of heroes, and the firmness and faith of martyrs, to tear down the idolatrous images that have usurped his place in the minds of men, and meet the armed force of wrong on battle fields. But in all this there is no excuse for any to indulge in harshness or severity to gratify their own wrong feelings.” {ST, January 6, 1881 par. 8}
The 3rd Angel’s Message warns of worshiping the Beast, and its Image. The first Beast is obviously a church. The image of the beast is also a different religious body clothed with civil power to persecute. We have witnessed this over the past 48 years, and it has become intense in the last 4.
This Image of the Beast may claim to be Protestant and even Seventh-day Adventist, but it is so only in the sense that the Church of Rome is the universal body of Christ.
It required a desperate struggle for those who would be faithful to stand firm against the deceptions and abominations which were disguised in sacerdotal garments and introduced into the church. The Bible was not accepted as the standard of faith. The doctrine of religious freedom was termed heresy, and its upholders were hated and proscribed. {GC 45.2}
After a long and severe conflict, the faithful few decided to dissolve all union with the apostate church if she still refused to free herself from falsehood and idolatry. They saw that separation was an absolute necessity if they would obey the word of God. They dared not tolerate errors fatal to their own souls, and set an example which would imperil the faith of their children and children’s children. To secure peace and unity they were ready to make any concession consistent with fidelity to God; but they felt that even peace would be too dearly purchased at the sacrifice of principle. If unity could be secured only by the compromise of truth and righteousness, then let there be difference, and even war.
Well would it be for the church and the world if the principles that actuated those steadfast souls were revived in the hearts of God’s professed people.
Amen!
Your conclusion that is wrong to withhold tithes and offerings is balderdash. The Holy Spirit gives us wisdom and guidance and that often comes in the form of a conscience. God does not reward the church with with financial resources, just because it exists to do His work. He rewards it because it DOES His work. If the promptings of the Spirit inspire a giver to give elsewhere and to stop giving to their denomination, follow the Spirit. Tithes and offerings are for the work of Christ not to support a particular Christian denomination when it wanders from the path.
A very well thought out article. I pray that the leaders get their house in order before action needs to be taken.
When pushed into a corner financial pressure is the only option we’ll have. It’s not a stretch to expect that it was financial pressure from the government that pushed the leaders to take such stance against its members and most importantly God…
Amen! The love of money is the root of all evil 1 Timothy 6:10
Our only motive should be to make sure tithe is being used as it should be. We don’t want to use coercive tactics.
well said brother Suntag. Spot on correct. not a peep from the court of Wilson on injuires from the amaglamated drug mRNDA.
I applaud the efforts of this author that he has brought out the FACTS concerning this issue. I’d rather know than to have my head stuck in the sand. We are approaching a time where our rights and responsibilities will be put to the ultimate test, that we must learn we cannot put our faith in any man no matter what their position of leadership is, that we must lean on the Divine 110% to take us through to the end! I saw the divisiveness to begin with and that is part of the testing, “Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” Let us see the issue for what it is, take our stand on the side of God and may we be faithful until the end of this age. We are facing much worse to come as this is only within our church. Will I pass this test? Will you?
Using one comment from Ellen Whites secretary to prove vaccines are ok is less convincing than using two verses in the new testament to prove the Sabbath was changed.
Dont the leaders always quote by two or three witnesses???
Vaccines cause damage to your immune system rather then boosting it:
https://www.facebook.com/Zeta.Johnston1961/videos/439155948821768/?rdid=fyGmpSkKZUTyuvRJ
My preference is our GC leaders should educate themselves on what’s in these things seeing they choose to support that injurious industry instead of their congregations and coworkers.
Some ingredients worth pondering: Aborted fetus cells,
Unclean Animal components,
Heavy Metals (no known safe amount to injest)
Known Carcinogens and DNA altering MRNA experimental technology…
Since 2021 the Vaccines the GC supported have caused injury and deaths,
They did their part to normalise
Died Suddenly, Myocarditis, Blood clots and Turbo Cancers in youth Athletes and The elderly,
Vine was right time to recommend retirement if they cannot admit they made a terrible horrible mistake.
While they are getting educated, maybe they need to look into the roots and nature of the Marxist Social Justice campaigns that they are advertising loudly on Conference websites?
The disinvitation of Brother Vine by Stephen Bohr and the preaching ban of the Michigan Conference have one thing in common: The actual evil of the GC is not addressed, but the possibilities mentioned by Conrad Vine if the GC-Leadership doesn´t repent, is disciplined by the Michigan Conference. There is really something rotten in the state of Denmark.
We do not know the motives of the GC leaders, but the fruits and facts are clear: On the one hand, the message about freedom of belief and conscience on the vaccination issue was denied by the GC in their two statements, and on the other hand, many billions in grants from the US federal government were at stake. Dr. Conrad Vine rightly rebuked this in his lectures. And as far as tithing is concerned, he merely suggested possibilities that God has revealed and allowed us in principle through our prophetess Ellen G. White.
„It would be poor policy to support from the treasury of God those who really mar and injure His work, and who are constantly lowering the atandard of Christianity.“ (3T 553)
He claims the tithe as his own, and it should ever be regarded as a sacred reserve, to be placed in his treasury for the benefit of his cause, for the advancement of his work …“ (RH December 8, 1896, par. 3)
„There are fearful woes for those, who preach the truth, but are not sactified by it, and also for those who consent to receive and maintain the unsanctified to minister them in word and doctrine.“ 1T 261f
The shaking has already begun within the church 😲😲😲
What a fascinating time to be alive. In observing the prophetic chart, we are in the day of preparation. Thats 1844 – National Sunday Law, Image to the beast fully formed. 3 dynamics are taking place at this time while the Laodicean church refuses SOP council. a) The gospel is going to all the world as a witness, b) Gods week of time is almost finished, c) Thru the power of the Holy Spirit, God is perfecting a group to stand in the last days of earths history.( Re-read “RH Nov 1,1892 his faith and enabling grace working in and thru us).
Conrad Vine has started to declare the sifting message that will be declared just before Sunday comes. We are starting to see that there are just 2 classes in the church. The next messages to shout while we are in the preparation time, The Laodicean message , the 3 Angels Messages Need to be given again. We need Revival and Reformation thru out the camp. The church has taken its eyes off of Jesus and losing it focus on the message to be given, Christ Our Righteousness. Is Pentecost 2025 the great revival to come? Next year will tell.
Did we forget what happened in 1888 and some in leadership positions fighting against the latter rain message endorsed by Ellen White. At this time humility of spirit and corporate repentance in leadership would go a long way toward finishing the mission. Im just a watchman on the wall of Zion blowing the trumpet and warning. But i will leave you with this to look up.
Isa. 8:16,20
Rev. 12:17
Rev. 19:10
Have a blessed Sabbath.
Your brother in Christ, Bruce