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		By: Doug		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[They are not restoring worship but instead perverting it.]]></description>
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		By: The Bible Swagman		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/adventhealth-is-now-restoring-worship-in-adventist-churches-with-rap-music/comment-page-1/#comment-42233&quot;&gt;Elder Jim Cox, Ret.&lt;/a&gt;.

To Elder Jim Cox,


From my Bible Studies and studies of SOP, THE LEADERS WILL NEVER AGAIN SHOW THE PEOPLE THEIR SINS. The Holy Spirit is withdrawing from the SDA Church step by Step. 

If that is Happening, why do you ask the question how is the denomination supposed to Give the Loud Cry?  

How Can the Latter Rain Fall on a Church that God is Withdrawing from?

Why is it Expected leaders are Going to Stand up against Apostasy when they will Encourage it too the Point that very soon people will be Worshiping who they think is God in a State of Nudity? 

Is this Not Evidence that God has Divorced the Church?

Why did Ellen White Write the below in the 1884 Great Controversy, if he Did not see how Chronic and Incurable Apostasy in the Seventh Day Adventist  Church would become, and that God has Given Modern day Spiritual Jerusalem Bill of Divorce as Per Jeremiah 3 ?

“Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man’s redemption. He beheld an angel flying ‘in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].

The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message, symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God’s Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: ‘But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness’ [1 Thess. 5:4, 5].

The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour’s advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith–which alone could render the service acceptable to God–was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them.” E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].

1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another
man’s, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou
hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.*

7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not.
And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.
8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed
adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with
stones and with stocks.
10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.
11 And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.

Jeremiah 3

When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no
favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write
her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife.
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her
hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be
his wife;
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his
wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt
not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Deuteronomy 24

Does not the Lord have cause to have Divorced the SDA Church? If he has Divorced her would not he Break his own Statute above by giving a Defiled Church the Latter Rain? Would not Satan Win the Great Controversy if he did So?

Something God would Never Do.

We were never meant to separate from Bible Truth, but we were to separate from Sin and Sinners Regardless of What they Call themselves.

Something to Think about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/adventhealth-is-now-restoring-worship-in-adventist-churches-with-rap-music/comment-page-1/#comment-42233">Elder Jim Cox, Ret.</a>.</p>
<p>To Elder Jim Cox,</p>
<p>From my Bible Studies and studies of SOP, THE LEADERS WILL NEVER AGAIN SHOW THE PEOPLE THEIR SINS. The Holy Spirit is withdrawing from the SDA Church step by Step. </p>
<p>If that is Happening, why do you ask the question how is the denomination supposed to Give the Loud Cry?  </p>
<p>How Can the Latter Rain Fall on a Church that God is Withdrawing from?</p>
<p>Why is it Expected leaders are Going to Stand up against Apostasy when they will Encourage it too the Point that very soon people will be Worshiping who they think is God in a State of Nudity? </p>
<p>Is this Not Evidence that God has Divorced the Church?</p>
<p>Why did Ellen White Write the below in the 1884 Great Controversy, if he Did not see how Chronic and Incurable Apostasy in the Seventh Day Adventist  Church would become, and that God has Given Modern day Spiritual Jerusalem Bill of Divorce as Per Jeremiah 3 ?</p>
<p>“Jesus sends HIS PEOPLE a message of warning to prepare them for his coming. To the prophet John was made known the closing work in the great plan of man’s redemption. He beheld an angel flying ‘in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him for the hour of his Judgment is come and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters [Rev. 14:6, 7.].</p>
<p>The angel represented in prophecy as delivering this message, symbolizes a class of faithful men, who, obedient to the promptings of God’s Spirit and the teachings of his word, proclaim this warning to the inhabitants of earth. This message was not to be committed to the religious leaders of the people. They had failed to preserve their connection with God, and had REFUSED THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN therefore they WERE NOT of the number described by the apostle Paul: ‘But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day we are not of the night nor of darkness’ [1 Thess. 5:4, 5].</p>
<p>The watchmen upon the walls of Zion should be the first to catch the tidings of the Saviour’s advent, the first to lift their voices to proclaim him near, the first to warn the people to prepare for his coming. But they were at ease, dreaming of peace and safety, while the people were asleep in their sins. Jesus saw HIS CHURCH, like the barren fig-tree, covered with pretentious leaves, yet destitute of precious fruit. There was a boastful observance of the forms of religion, while the spirit of true humility, penitence and faith–which alone could render the service acceptable to God–was lacking. Instead of the graces of the Spirit, there were manifested pride, formalism, vainglory, selfishness, oppression. A BACKSLIDING CHURCH closed their eyes to the signs of the times. God did nor forsake them, or suffer his faithfulness to fail but they departed from him, and SEPARATED THEMSELVES from his love. As they REFUSED TO COMPLY WITH THE CONDITIONS, his promises were NOT FULFILLED to them.” E.G. White, The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 4, pp. 199-200 [The 1884 edition of The Great Controversy, 199, 200].</p>
<p>1 They say, If a man put away his wife, and she go from him, and become another<br />
man’s, shall he return unto her again? shall not that land be greatly polluted? but thou<br />
hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.*</p>
<p>7 And I said after she had done all these things, Turn thou unto me. But she returned not.<br />
And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.<br />
8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed<br />
adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.<br />
9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with<br />
stones and with stocks.<br />
10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.<br />
11 And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.</p>
<p>Jeremiah 3</p>
<p>When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no<br />
favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write<br />
her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.<br />
2 And when she is departed out of his house, she may go and be another man’s wife.<br />
3 And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her<br />
hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be<br />
his wife;<br />
4 Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his<br />
wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt<br />
not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.</p>
<p>Deuteronomy 24</p>
<p>Does not the Lord have cause to have Divorced the SDA Church? If he has Divorced her would not he Break his own Statute above by giving a Defiled Church the Latter Rain? Would not Satan Win the Great Controversy if he did So?</p>
<p>Something God would Never Do.</p>
<p>We were never meant to separate from Bible Truth, but we were to separate from Sin and Sinners Regardless of What they Call themselves.</p>
<p>Something to Think about.</p>
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		By: Ruthie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2023 02:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[24 years ago our SDA church turned the service over to a group of teenagers, who proceeded to &quot;go modern&quot;. A bunch of us walked out after 5-or-so minutes &#038; went to another church for a nice &quot;normal&quot; service - even my young granddaughter loved it. Our church never allowed a teen service again in the remaining 6 years I attended. What&#039;s going on now is demonic. I don&#039;t care anymore what they do, they&#039;re watering themselves down in many areas to let the world come in; it will surely backfire on them when God lets loose with His judgments. &quot;YOUR house is left unto you desolate.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24 years ago our SDA church turned the service over to a group of teenagers, who proceeded to &#8220;go modern&#8221;. A bunch of us walked out after 5-or-so minutes &amp; went to another church for a nice &#8220;normal&#8221; service &#8211; even my young granddaughter loved it. Our church never allowed a teen service again in the remaining 6 years I attended. What&#8217;s going on now is demonic. I don&#8217;t care anymore what they do, they&#8217;re watering themselves down in many areas to let the world come in; it will surely backfire on them when God lets loose with His judgments. &#8220;YOUR house is left unto you desolate.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Elder Jim Cox, Ret.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elder Jim Cox, Ret.]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[And where are our elected leaders of this Remnant Church? Why do we not hear a rebuke of not only Advent Health, and other apostasies? Let us remember that God&#039;s faithful will stay with the truth and the unfaithful will fall away. &quot;We must wait patiently and not fail or be discouraged, for God has His plans all arranged. While we are burdened and distressed, but waiting in patient submission, our invisible Helper will be doing the work we do not see, and will bring to pass in His providence events which will either work reformations, or will separate these halfhearted, world-loving members from the believers.&quot; SHM 445

Elder Jim Cox, Ret.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And where are our elected leaders of this Remnant Church? Why do we not hear a rebuke of not only Advent Health, and other apostasies? Let us remember that God&#8217;s faithful will stay with the truth and the unfaithful will fall away. &#8220;We must wait patiently and not fail or be discouraged, for God has His plans all arranged. While we are burdened and distressed, but waiting in patient submission, our invisible Helper will be doing the work we do not see, and will bring to pass in His providence events which will either work reformations, or will separate these halfhearted, world-loving members from the believers.&#8221; SHM 445</p>
<p>Elder Jim Cox, Ret.</p>
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		By: V.R.+Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V.R.+Williams]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[This account is far different from the example given in scripture:

Neh 8:5  And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people;) and when he opened it, all the people stood up: 
Neh 8:6  And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground. 

We were warned we would see this day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This account is far different from the example given in scripture:</p>
<p>Neh 8:5  And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people;) and when he opened it, all the people stood up: <br />
Neh 8:6  And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground. </p>
<p>We were warned we would see this day.</p>
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		By: Con Cries		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Con Cries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jul 2023 22:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/adventhealth-is-now-restoring-worship-in-adventist-churches-with-rap-music/comment-page-1/#comment-42216&quot;&gt;Con Cries&lt;/a&gt;.

Let alone Rock n Roll music in 1:30 here https://www.youtube.com/live/y5xox3hpsMY?feature=share]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/adventhealth-is-now-restoring-worship-in-adventist-churches-with-rap-music/comment-page-1/#comment-42216">Con Cries</a>.</p>
<p>Let alone Rock n Roll music in 1:30 here <a href="https://www.youtube.com/live/y5xox3hpsMY?feature=share" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/live/y5xox3hpsMY?feature=share</a></p>
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		By: Con Cries		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Con Cries]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whole life church, one of many humanist SDA churches with hippie culture. Appears to be a catholic procession. Please help me understand what is said in 46:33 here: https://www.youtube.com/live/y5xox3hpsMY?feature=share]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whole life church, one of many humanist SDA churches with hippie culture. Appears to be a catholic procession. Please help me understand what is said in 46:33 here: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/live/y5xox3hpsMY?feature=share" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/live/y5xox3hpsMY?feature=share</a></p>
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		By: Rose		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rose]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Horrified!  Don&#039;t they realize that the bedlam of noise precedes/signals the close of probation for SDA&#039;s?  Get ready! get ready! get ready!

Bedlam of Noise—The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. VSS 417.1

The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit. VSS 417.2

The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirit&#039;s working.... VSS 417.3

No encouragement should be given to this kind of worship. The same kind of influence came in after the passing of the time in 1844. The same kind of representations were made. Men became excited, and were worked by a power thought to be the power of God.—Selected Messages 2:36, 37. VSS 418.1

Satan&#039;s Snare—The Holy Spirit has nothing to do with such a confusion of noise and multitude of sounds as passed before me last January. Satan works amid the din and confusion of such music, which, properly conducted, would be a praise and glory to God. He makes its effect like the poison sting of the serpent. VSS 418.2

Those things which have been in the past will be in the future. Satan will make music a snare by the way in which it is conducted.—Selected Messages 2:37, 38.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horrified!  Don&#8217;t they realize that the bedlam of noise precedes/signals the close of probation for SDA&#8217;s?  Get ready! get ready! get ready!</p>
<p>Bedlam of Noise—The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. VSS 417.1</p>
<p>The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit. VSS 417.2</p>
<p>The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time. Better never have the worship of God blended with music than to use musical instruments to do the work which last January was represented to me would be brought into our camp meetings. The truth for this time needs nothing of this kind in its work of converting souls. A bedlam of noise shocks the senses and perverts that which if conducted aright might be a blessing. The powers of satanic agencies blend with the din and noise, to have a carnival, and this is termed the Holy Spirit&#8217;s working&#8230;. VSS 417.3</p>
<p>No encouragement should be given to this kind of worship. The same kind of influence came in after the passing of the time in 1844. The same kind of representations were made. Men became excited, and were worked by a power thought to be the power of God.—Selected Messages 2:36, 37. VSS 418.1</p>
<p>Satan&#8217;s Snare—The Holy Spirit has nothing to do with such a confusion of noise and multitude of sounds as passed before me last January. Satan works amid the din and confusion of such music, which, properly conducted, would be a praise and glory to God. He makes its effect like the poison sting of the serpent. VSS 418.2</p>
<p>Those things which have been in the past will be in the future. Satan will make music a snare by the way in which it is conducted.—Selected Messages 2:37, 38.</p>
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