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		By: Greta E. Tindall		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-87260</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greta E. Tindall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2025 22:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-71019&quot;&gt;Pramod Hansdak&lt;/a&gt;.

I know of too many people who took those shots and died from them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-71019">Pramod Hansdak</a>.</p>
<p>I know of too many people who took those shots and died from them.</p>
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		By: Pramod Hansdak		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pramod Hansdak]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2025 03:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-62308&quot;&gt;Miriam&lt;/a&gt;.

It’s clear that Conrad Vine has lost confidence in the Seventh-Day Adventist denomination. If so he can take a dose of his own medicine or follow his own prescription—form a parachurch and divert his tithes away from the SDA Church. 
If he is not willing to take these steps himself, then why encourage others to do so?
With regard to Covid vaccines, I personally believe they saved lives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-62308">Miriam</a>.</p>
<p>It’s clear that Conrad Vine has lost confidence in the Seventh-Day Adventist denomination. If so he can take a dose of his own medicine or follow his own prescription—form a parachurch and divert his tithes away from the SDA Church.<br />
If he is not willing to take these steps himself, then why encourage others to do so?<br />
With regard to Covid vaccines, I personally believe they saved lives.</p>
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		By: Tony		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-70383</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 17:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have seen this all before. In the 1980s in the South Pacific Division. Churches were divided over the teachings of Dr Desmond Ford. The pastors, trained by him, were of course, on his side of the theological arguments. Over time, church standards fell, celebration worship came in and so on. A small number of conservatives who were concerned, hence they were called the Concerned Brethren, or &quot;CBs&quot; for short (often as a pejorative term). They decided that the church has fallen and that a true remanent were to come out. They left the Conference churches and attempted to establish new reformed churches (para-churches) that would preach the 3 Angels Messages.

Everyone one of those new reformed churches (para-churches) failed and vanished. Without going into all the details as to why, I would say that had the Lord been leading them, the failure rate should not have been so complete. It would appear that Ellen White is right. That regardless of how bad the mainstream church gets, attempts to establish reformed SDA churches outside of it (para-churches), will fail. It appears that we do have to stay with the main body, not matter how bad or its leadership become and await the sifting at the end of time that removes the dross.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen this all before. In the 1980s in the South Pacific Division. Churches were divided over the teachings of Dr Desmond Ford. The pastors, trained by him, were of course, on his side of the theological arguments. Over time, church standards fell, celebration worship came in and so on. A small number of conservatives who were concerned, hence they were called the Concerned Brethren, or &#8220;CBs&#8221; for short (often as a pejorative term). They decided that the church has fallen and that a true remanent were to come out. They left the Conference churches and attempted to establish new reformed churches (para-churches) that would preach the 3 Angels Messages.</p>
<p>Everyone one of those new reformed churches (para-churches) failed and vanished. Without going into all the details as to why, I would say that had the Lord been leading them, the failure rate should not have been so complete. It would appear that Ellen White is right. That regardless of how bad the mainstream church gets, attempts to establish reformed SDA churches outside of it (para-churches), will fail. It appears that we do have to stay with the main body, not matter how bad or its leadership become and await the sifting at the end of time that removes the dross.</p>
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		By: Gloria Feather		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-66791</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gloria Feather]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Nov 2024 08:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[REMOVE THIS ROGUE STATEMENT &#039;The Seventh-day Adventist Church places strong emphasis on health and well-being. The Adventist health emphasis is based on biblical revelation, the inspired writing of E.G. White (co-founder of the Church),
&quot;&quot; and on peer-reviewed scientific literature.&quot;&quot;
 As such, we encourage responsible immunization/vaccination, and have no religious or faith-based reason not to encourage our adherents to responsibly participate in protective and preventive immunization programs. We value the health and safety of the population, which includes the maintenance of “herd immunity.”

AND ALL WILL BE WELL. WELL ACTUALLY NO, ALL WILL NOT BE WELL. REMOVE THE MANY OTHER ROGUE STATEMENTS eg CLIMATE CHANGE etc AND THEN ALL WILL BE WELL.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REMOVE THIS ROGUE STATEMENT &#8216;The Seventh-day Adventist Church places strong emphasis on health and well-being. The Adventist health emphasis is based on biblical revelation, the inspired writing of E.G. White (co-founder of the Church),<br />
&#8220;&#8221; and on peer-reviewed scientific literature.&#8221;&#8221;<br />
 As such, we encourage responsible immunization/vaccination, and have no religious or faith-based reason not to encourage our adherents to responsibly participate in protective and preventive immunization programs. We value the health and safety of the population, which includes the maintenance of “herd immunity.”</p>
<p>AND ALL WILL BE WELL. WELL ACTUALLY NO, ALL WILL NOT BE WELL. REMOVE THE MANY OTHER ROGUE STATEMENTS eg CLIMATE CHANGE etc AND THEN ALL WILL BE WELL.</p>
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		By: John Buxton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Buxton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2024 13:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Too hasty on AudioVerse part.  We see how polarizing certain issues are.  Women’s Ordination and now our response to the COVID vaccinations.  Just because you can cancel someone doesn’t mean you should.  Especially when the truth seems to be manifesting on the side of how dangerous this untested vaccine really was.  Vaxxers had the power and funding.  Now we are realizing how dangerous the whole agenda was.
Cancelling an honest and accurate voice will be seen as a very hasty political move.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too hasty on AudioVerse part.  We see how polarizing certain issues are.  Women’s Ordination and now our response to the COVID vaccinations.  Just because you can cancel someone doesn’t mean you should.  Especially when the truth seems to be manifesting on the side of how dangerous this untested vaccine really was.  Vaxxers had the power and funding.  Now we are realizing how dangerous the whole agenda was.<br />
Cancelling an honest and accurate voice will be seen as a very hasty political move.</p>
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		By: Daanan Mahn		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-63256</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daanan Mahn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2024 12:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very simply put...
The &quot;Wheat and the Tares&quot; example covers Church reaction for hypocrisy or secret unconversion, not open rebellion.  
I Corinthians 5 explains what Churches are expected to do with open rebellion.
Leadership gets no higher pass than laity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very simply put&#8230;<br />
The &#8220;Wheat and the Tares&#8221; example covers Church reaction for hypocrisy or secret unconversion, not open rebellion.<br />
I Corinthians 5 explains what Churches are expected to do with open rebellion.<br />
Leadership gets no higher pass than laity.</p>
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		By: Tony Butenko		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-62852</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Butenko]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2024 16:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It amazes me how Audio Verse uses these Ellen G. White writings out of context.

Will they use the same method with the Bible?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me how Audio Verse uses these Ellen G. White writings out of context.</p>
<p>Will they use the same method with the Bible?</p>
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		By: PD		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-62770</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Question: What does the Bible say in Jude 1:3 we are to contend for as faithful believers? The SDA Conference Church? Or the &quot;Faith&quot; God delivered to us?  

The Word of God says unequivocally that we are to contend for the faith!  And as a faithful SDA we will do just this.  We will contend for those biblical truths / the three angels messages that God raised up the SDA movement in 19th century to give. 

Where in the Bible or in the Spirit of Prophecy does it say we are to contend for, protect, preserve, and support a system or institution that is deliberately working against the mission and truths God revealed to the SDA movement? What do I mean? Let me give you an example of some of what&#039;s going on to remove the shackles from your eyes. 

In 2013 a group of SDA members who attended conference churches decided to use their own money and purchase and distribute thousands of copies of the full version of The Great Controversy (GC) book by EG White in order to proclaim the last message of warning to a dying world that God raised up the SDA Church to give and to help finish the work and hasten the coming of Jesus.  As the missionary endeavour began to grow and became more prominent it came to the attention of senior conference officials at the General Conference and a conference representative was sent to meet with one of the members of the group distributing the GC books.  The conference reprimanded the group for distributing the GC  books and said they should cease as the local conference had no policy or plan to circulate the GC. The conference representative also threatened the group member saying if they continued then the church would banish them. When the group refused to stop sharing The Great Controversy books it received many more attacks by the conference.  

Question: Who or what is God&#039;s Remnant Church or true Seventh-day Adventist? Is is the conference and its members who are opposed to the circulation of the GC books and did evil acts to hurt those doing God&#039;s work? Or is those that are doing the will of God? (Read Matt. 7:1)

One of the ways the Roman Catholic Church controls their members is by making them believe that there is no salvation outside of their communion.  Is the same ploy being applied within the SDA conference church today? That the SDA conference church cannot err, regardless of the apostacies we see and which are getting worse it can never falter. And that everyone who calls out the apostacies in the conference and its churches and refuses to support these institutions which are now clearly working against God&#039;s cause and the very mission of the SDA Church are wrong!

I don&#039;t believe the SDA Church will ever fall as God told us so through EG White. In the end the SDA Church will triumph by faithfully delivering the three angels message and paving the way for the return of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.

Question: will that SDA Church be the current institution that is tied up with the Governments of the land so much so that when Covid was around the SDA conferences put their pastors on furlough and went to the Government with cap in hand for money to pay their workers. The General Conference has has also compromised and incoporated policies to fit in with worldy humanistic equality and diversity laws.

Question: Is this the conference SDA Church that will not fall? Or is the reference to the SDA Church not falling a reference to those people who are contending for and true to the SDA faith delivered to the SDA pioneers?

Do not be like the official SDA conference which only quotes EG White writings to justify its apostacy and to control the week minded members that are surface readers.  How comes we hear absolutely nothing from the conference regarding what EG White says about worldly worship styles pervading our churches in these last days; the fact that  SDA pastors shouldn&#039;t be a meat eaters; about dress reform; about reverence in the sanctuary etc. etc. etc. But the conference and some members are quick to tell you about the importance of retuning tithe even though there is apostacy in the conference church and blatant and direct opposition against the truth. They are quick to cancel Dr Vine and remind us about what EG White says about staying aboard the vessel (implying the conference church is the only vessel) as it suits the narrative. And they were quick to come down heavy and threaten that small group for faithfully circulating The Great Controversy and spreading the SDA message because they felt it would bring unwanted attention to them. 

May God help us SDAs not to be deceived in these last days, but to put God and His Word first.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: What does the Bible say in Jude 1:3 we are to contend for as faithful believers? The SDA Conference Church? Or the &#8220;Faith&#8221; God delivered to us?  </p>
<p>The Word of God says unequivocally that we are to contend for the faith!  And as a faithful SDA we will do just this.  We will contend for those biblical truths / the three angels messages that God raised up the SDA movement in 19th century to give. </p>
<p>Where in the Bible or in the Spirit of Prophecy does it say we are to contend for, protect, preserve, and support a system or institution that is deliberately working against the mission and truths God revealed to the SDA movement? What do I mean? Let me give you an example of some of what&#8217;s going on to remove the shackles from your eyes. </p>
<p>In 2013 a group of SDA members who attended conference churches decided to use their own money and purchase and distribute thousands of copies of the full version of The Great Controversy (GC) book by EG White in order to proclaim the last message of warning to a dying world that God raised up the SDA Church to give and to help finish the work and hasten the coming of Jesus.  As the missionary endeavour began to grow and became more prominent it came to the attention of senior conference officials at the General Conference and a conference representative was sent to meet with one of the members of the group distributing the GC books.  The conference reprimanded the group for distributing the GC  books and said they should cease as the local conference had no policy or plan to circulate the GC. The conference representative also threatened the group member saying if they continued then the church would banish them. When the group refused to stop sharing The Great Controversy books it received many more attacks by the conference.  </p>
<p>Question: Who or what is God&#8217;s Remnant Church or true Seventh-day Adventist? Is is the conference and its members who are opposed to the circulation of the GC books and did evil acts to hurt those doing God&#8217;s work? Or is those that are doing the will of God? (Read Matt. 7:1)</p>
<p>One of the ways the Roman Catholic Church controls their members is by making them believe that there is no salvation outside of their communion.  Is the same ploy being applied within the SDA conference church today? That the SDA conference church cannot err, regardless of the apostacies we see and which are getting worse it can never falter. And that everyone who calls out the apostacies in the conference and its churches and refuses to support these institutions which are now clearly working against God&#8217;s cause and the very mission of the SDA Church are wrong!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe the SDA Church will ever fall as God told us so through EG White. In the end the SDA Church will triumph by faithfully delivering the three angels message and paving the way for the return of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ.</p>
<p>Question: will that SDA Church be the current institution that is tied up with the Governments of the land so much so that when Covid was around the SDA conferences put their pastors on furlough and went to the Government with cap in hand for money to pay their workers. The General Conference has has also compromised and incoporated policies to fit in with worldy humanistic equality and diversity laws.</p>
<p>Question: Is this the conference SDA Church that will not fall? Or is the reference to the SDA Church not falling a reference to those people who are contending for and true to the SDA faith delivered to the SDA pioneers?</p>
<p>Do not be like the official SDA conference which only quotes EG White writings to justify its apostacy and to control the week minded members that are surface readers.  How comes we hear absolutely nothing from the conference regarding what EG White says about worldly worship styles pervading our churches in these last days; the fact that  SDA pastors shouldn&#8217;t be a meat eaters; about dress reform; about reverence in the sanctuary etc. etc. etc. But the conference and some members are quick to tell you about the importance of retuning tithe even though there is apostacy in the conference church and blatant and direct opposition against the truth. They are quick to cancel Dr Vine and remind us about what EG White says about staying aboard the vessel (implying the conference church is the only vessel) as it suits the narrative. And they were quick to come down heavy and threaten that small group for faithfully circulating The Great Controversy and spreading the SDA message because they felt it would bring unwanted attention to them. </p>
<p>May God help us SDAs not to be deceived in these last days, but to put God and His Word first.</p>
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		By: Martha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2024 12:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-62317&quot;&gt;Leonard Sjölin&lt;/a&gt;.

A-men!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/audioverse-responds-to-the-cancelation-of-dr-conrad-vine/comment-page-1/#comment-62317">Leonard Sjölin</a>.</p>
<p>A-men!</p>
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