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		By: Ruthie		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/catholics-tell-protestants-the-reformation-is-over-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-68806&quot;&gt;Michel Herman&lt;/a&gt;.

The Church &#038; the General Conference Corporation (&quot;GC&quot;) are two completely different entities.

I haven&#039;t had anything to do with a GC church for over 21yrs (I follow the independents) &#038; have been drafting a request to have my name removed from membership in the GC due mostly to their actions during &quot;Covid&quot; &#038; now with their other shenanigans. I also accepted the One True God truth &#038; feel that I cannot belong to the GC any longer. The SDA pioneers did not believe in or teach a trinity, it was sneaked in after the original members died off. The GC brought in changes as per Ellen White&#039;s warning; God&#039;s Church remains the same.

We do not need to be a member of any organization, especially when they act so grandiose &#038; believe that THEY are the Church (they are not). John the Baptist &#038; Jesus were independent... did the disciples/apostles need Pharisee approval to spread the Gospel. Oh yeah, the GC shipped Ellen White off to Australia so they could do what they wanted.

I do not want to be associated with them &#038; have their pronouncements include me when they say something &quot;on behalf of all members&quot;. The GC seems to have made themselves the Church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/catholics-tell-protestants-the-reformation-is-over-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-68806">Michel Herman</a>.</p>
<p>The Church &amp; the General Conference Corporation (&#8220;GC&#8221;) are two completely different entities.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t had anything to do with a GC church for over 21yrs (I follow the independents) &amp; have been drafting a request to have my name removed from membership in the GC due mostly to their actions during &#8220;Covid&#8221; &amp; now with their other shenanigans. I also accepted the One True God truth &amp; feel that I cannot belong to the GC any longer. The SDA pioneers did not believe in or teach a trinity, it was sneaked in after the original members died off. The GC brought in changes as per Ellen White&#8217;s warning; God&#8217;s Church remains the same.</p>
<p>We do not need to be a member of any organization, especially when they act so grandiose &amp; believe that THEY are the Church (they are not). John the Baptist &amp; Jesus were independent&#8230; did the disciples/apostles need Pharisee approval to spread the Gospel. Oh yeah, the GC shipped Ellen White off to Australia so they could do what they wanted.</p>
<p>I do not want to be associated with them &amp; have their pronouncements include me when they say something &#8220;on behalf of all members&#8221;. The GC seems to have made themselves the Church.</p>
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		By: Michel Herman		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2024 15:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/catholics-tell-protestants-the-reformation-is-over-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-68728&quot;&gt;Br. Marcus&lt;/a&gt;.

It is an error to leave the church. The wheat must grow with the tares.

I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be.—Selected Messages 2:63, 68, 69 (1893).

The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out—the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place.—Selected Messages 2:380 (1886).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/catholics-tell-protestants-the-reformation-is-over-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-68728">Br. Marcus</a>.</p>
<p>It is an error to leave the church. The wheat must grow with the tares.</p>
<p>I know that the Lord loves His church. It is not to be disorganized or broken up into independent atoms. There is not the least consistency in this; there is not the least evidence that such a thing will be.—Selected Messages 2:63, 68, 69 (1893).</p>
<p>The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out—the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place.—Selected Messages 2:380 (1886).</p>
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		By: Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Dec 2024 09:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For all that complies with mandates, church creeds (28 fundamental beliefs), authorities of men, yes the protest is over. 

But for those that love the Lord, love the truth, no, the protest is not over. 

“It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.” (GCDB February 24, 1899)
At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans and to restrict God&#039;s work, I have said that I could no longer regard the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be respected. God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and influence that God has vested in His church in the judgment and voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His work. (9T 260)
That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be,—that is past. What we want now is a reorganization. We want to begin at the foundation, and to build upon a different principle. (GCB April 3, 1901)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all that complies with mandates, church creeds (28 fundamental beliefs), authorities of men, yes the protest is over. </p>
<p>But for those that love the Lord, love the truth, no, the protest is not over. </p>
<p>“It has been some years since I have considered the General Conference as the voice of God.” (GCDB February 24, 1899)<br />
At times, when a small group of men entrusted with the general management of the work have, in the name of the General Conference, sought to carry out unwise plans and to restrict God&#8217;s work, I have said that I could no longer regard the voice of the General Conference, represented by these few men, as the voice of God. But this is not saying that the decisions of a General Conference composed of an assembly of duly appointed, representative men from all parts of the field should not be respected. God has ordained that the representatives of His church from all parts of the earth, when assembled in a General Conference, shall have authority. The error that some are in danger of committing is in giving to the mind and judgment of one man, or of a small group of men, the full measure of authority and influence that God has vested in His church in the judgment and voice of the General Conference assembled to plan for the prosperity and advancement of His work. (9T 260)<br />
That these men should stand in a sacred place, to be as the voice of God to the people, as we once believed the General Conference to be,—that is past. What we want now is a reorganization. We want to begin at the foundation, and to build upon a different principle. (GCB April 3, 1901)</p>
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		By: John Trainor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Trainor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 21:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/catholics-tell-protestants-the-reformation-is-over-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-68729&quot;&gt;Mg&lt;/a&gt;.

Very true, the Reformation isn&#039;t over at all.  The Protestant world surrendered.  They changed, the papacy didn&#039;t change at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/catholics-tell-protestants-the-reformation-is-over-come-home/comment-page-1/#comment-68729">Mg</a>.</p>
<p>Very true, the Reformation isn&#8217;t over at all.  The Protestant world surrendered.  They changed, the papacy didn&#8217;t change at all.</p>
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		By: Mellythia		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mellythia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 18:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pope Francis has been quoted as saying that the Protestant reformation ended in 1999 when the Lutherans signed the JDDJ. That was when the harlot was sealed with the title of “MOTHER”. Revelation 17 says that this would happen in the reign of the Sixth king of verse 10, the one who “is” alive in the vision. 
So isn’t it peculiar that Pope John Paul II was reigning when that ecumenical agreement was signed, and that JPII was the sixth pope since they regained their seat within the seven hills of Rome. This perfectly explains the prophecy yet contemporary pastors reject this perfect fulfillment.

We are now in the reign of the eighth pope after the Lateran treaty.

Pope Francis the Jesuit Corpse (perende ac CADAVER of Matthew 24:28) is the eighth king. The last pope is calling the world back to their so called MOTHER yet the church cannot see it. 

This is terrifying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pope Francis has been quoted as saying that the Protestant reformation ended in 1999 when the Lutherans signed the JDDJ. That was when the harlot was sealed with the title of “MOTHER”. Revelation 17 says that this would happen in the reign of the Sixth king of verse 10, the one who “is” alive in the vision.<br />
So isn’t it peculiar that Pope John Paul II was reigning when that ecumenical agreement was signed, and that JPII was the sixth pope since they regained their seat within the seven hills of Rome. This perfectly explains the prophecy yet contemporary pastors reject this perfect fulfillment.</p>
<p>We are now in the reign of the eighth pope after the Lateran treaty.</p>
<p>Pope Francis the Jesuit Corpse (perende ac CADAVER of Matthew 24:28) is the eighth king. The last pope is calling the world back to their so called MOTHER yet the church cannot see it. </p>
<p>This is terrifying.</p>
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		By: Mg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 14:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No! The Reformation is not over and this why we still Protest. We do not have anything in common with Rome, and the eucharist is not a bridge between Protestants and Rome for there are no similarities. Communion as it is in the Word of God points to Christ&#039;s perfect life, His death and resurrection which is the center of the Plan of Salvation and executed in the Heavenly Sanctuary. However, the eucharist destroys Christ and His sinless sacrifice and tramples upon it. It removes Christ Jesus as the only Savior for the fallen human race and places man in His place. This is why the eucharist is being pushed as the bridge for unity between Protestants and Roman papacy: 1 Rome&#039;s motive is to turn our worship away from God to themselves, 2 satan&#039;s motive is to completely separate man from God by removing the only way to Salvation, through Christ Jesus. 

“9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. 
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. 
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. 
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. ”
Daniel 8:9-14 KJV

“3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. ”
Titus 3:3-7 KJV]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No! The Reformation is not over and this why we still Protest. We do not have anything in common with Rome, and the eucharist is not a bridge between Protestants and Rome for there are no similarities. Communion as it is in the Word of God points to Christ&#8217;s perfect life, His death and resurrection which is the center of the Plan of Salvation and executed in the Heavenly Sanctuary. However, the eucharist destroys Christ and His sinless sacrifice and tramples upon it. It removes Christ Jesus as the only Savior for the fallen human race and places man in His place. This is why the eucharist is being pushed as the bridge for unity between Protestants and Roman papacy: 1 Rome&#8217;s motive is to turn our worship away from God to themselves, 2 satan&#8217;s motive is to completely separate man from God by removing the only way to Salvation, through Christ Jesus. </p>
<p>“9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.<br />
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.<br />
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.<br />
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.<br />
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. ”<br />
Daniel 8:9-14 KJV</p>
<p>“3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.<br />
4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,<br />
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;<br />
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. ”<br />
Titus 3:3-7 KJV</p>
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		By: Br. Marcus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Br. Marcus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Dec 2024 14:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What do all Christian faiths have in common?

The Trinity. An amalgamation of 3 beings in 1. 

The Seventh-Day Advent faith has compromised much since the passing of the Pioneers. Rules have been broken within the organization. Overwritten for the betterment of the corporation. And now we see it paraded without shame with the treatment of its own members. 

When the pandemic hit the world, members of religious faith sought the counsel of their respective spiritual leaders. Within the SDA church, the leaders left their flock without shelter. They weighed in the balances of financial gains how the government could enrich their medical institutions vs what their members sitting in the pews could contribute. Because of their decision, many Adventist were denied the religious exemption they sought from the church they revered, maybe even above the scriptures themselves. 

Now we see it exposed more publicly with the affairs of Conrad Vine and Village Church. 

The SAME treatment that they are giving him over the freedom of conscience. The freedom to read scripture and believe that what it says is true (in his case, that the body is the temple of God and we should abstain from experimental drugs) is the SAME treatment believers of the Father and Son Truth have been experiencing for the past decade. 

No committees. No church votes. 24 hours to vacate positions within the church because we believe the record given in scripture that Jesus is the literal Son of God. 

I pray that this opens the eyes of Gods people that Babylon has fallen. Seeing it was raised to a lofty position only to drink of the apostasies of Babylon, bringing in its false doctrines, which is not limited to but includes, like the Trinity. 

Pray for the church in fasting and supplication. Like Daniel!

Be prepared to leave the church for salvation is found not in the organization but in the Son of God, the Christ Jesus. Let HIS spirit dwell in you and be the hope of glory, not some other spirit who knows not the infirmities of the human condition. 

Jesus is God like his Father. They are one in purpose and in nature but are different In persons. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ which was shed on humanity at Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father through the Son to us. They shall abide in us. Jesus shall come and be are comforter. Amen]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do all Christian faiths have in common?</p>
<p>The Trinity. An amalgamation of 3 beings in 1. </p>
<p>The Seventh-Day Advent faith has compromised much since the passing of the Pioneers. Rules have been broken within the organization. Overwritten for the betterment of the corporation. And now we see it paraded without shame with the treatment of its own members. </p>
<p>When the pandemic hit the world, members of religious faith sought the counsel of their respective spiritual leaders. Within the SDA church, the leaders left their flock without shelter. They weighed in the balances of financial gains how the government could enrich their medical institutions vs what their members sitting in the pews could contribute. Because of their decision, many Adventist were denied the religious exemption they sought from the church they revered, maybe even above the scriptures themselves. </p>
<p>Now we see it exposed more publicly with the affairs of Conrad Vine and Village Church. </p>
<p>The SAME treatment that they are giving him over the freedom of conscience. The freedom to read scripture and believe that what it says is true (in his case, that the body is the temple of God and we should abstain from experimental drugs) is the SAME treatment believers of the Father and Son Truth have been experiencing for the past decade. </p>
<p>No committees. No church votes. 24 hours to vacate positions within the church because we believe the record given in scripture that Jesus is the literal Son of God. </p>
<p>I pray that this opens the eyes of Gods people that Babylon has fallen. Seeing it was raised to a lofty position only to drink of the apostasies of Babylon, bringing in its false doctrines, which is not limited to but includes, like the Trinity. </p>
<p>Pray for the church in fasting and supplication. Like Daniel!</p>
<p>Be prepared to leave the church for salvation is found not in the organization but in the Son of God, the Christ Jesus. Let HIS spirit dwell in you and be the hope of glory, not some other spirit who knows not the infirmities of the human condition. </p>
<p>Jesus is God like his Father. They are one in purpose and in nature but are different In persons. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ which was shed on humanity at Pentecost. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the Father through the Son to us. They shall abide in us. Jesus shall come and be are comforter. Amen</p>
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