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		By: Robyn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2025 22:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/conrad-vines-martin-luther-moment-and-the-real-reason-why-pastor-ron-kelly-was-fired/comment-page-1/#comment-68459&quot;&gt;Patricia Heinrich&lt;/a&gt;.

I am with you on that.  We are relatively new to SDA but love our little church.  I have very much enjoyed Pastor Ron Kelly&#039;s message and also Pastor Conrad Vine.  I can&#039;t believe what is happening and why.  It seems truly the love of money has corrupted our leaders :(]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/conrad-vines-martin-luther-moment-and-the-real-reason-why-pastor-ron-kelly-was-fired/comment-page-1/#comment-68459">Patricia Heinrich</a>.</p>
<p>I am with you on that.  We are relatively new to SDA but love our little church.  I have very much enjoyed Pastor Ron Kelly&#8217;s message and also Pastor Conrad Vine.  I can&#8217;t believe what is happening and why.  It seems truly the love of money has corrupted our leaders 🙁</p>
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		By: Dianne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dianne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2025 04:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/conrad-vines-martin-luther-moment-and-the-real-reason-why-pastor-ron-kelly-was-fired/comment-page-1/#comment-68681&quot;&gt;Julie&lt;/a&gt;.

:)  Well spoken!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/conrad-vines-martin-luther-moment-and-the-real-reason-why-pastor-ron-kelly-was-fired/comment-page-1/#comment-68681">Julie</a>.</p>
<p>🙂  Well spoken!</p>
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		By: Rick Jaroh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Jaroh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2025 19:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To my brothers and sisters in the 7th Day Adventist Church this problem with Conrad Vine and Ron Kelly is just another smoke screen that Satan has brought up to hide the real problem in the 7th Day Adventist Church is when they gave up the doctrines that God gave to this Remnant Church in the 1840s and was to be believed, and taught, all the way until our Lord and Savior Jesus comes the second time. And that truth is that there is only one God the Father, and he has a real Son, that the Father gave birth to Before Time even existed. And that Son is Jesus, His only begotten Son not a Son by creation, as are the angels, nor Son by adoption as this is Forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the image of the Father. 
And that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father, and the spirit of the Son, not a third being, or third God, as a church teaches today. This message has been lost, and has been changed
Into believing that God is a trinity of beings called, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit,
 and has now been accepted as the Official doctrine of the SDA Church! The
Trinity doctrine was ratified by the General conference in 1980 signifying that the Trinity Doctrine is now the official belief of The Seventh-Day Adventist Church. This should never have happened.  The church changed its religion from the religion of the One True God, who has a real Son Jesus, to believe in the doctrines of devils,the 
Trinity. This is where Mrs White prophesied that after she died, books of a new order would be written, our religion would be changed, and she also added that she trembled for her people.
God is calling His people out of the Trinity Doctrine to come back to the original belief founded in 1844, that there is one God the Father and that He has a real Son Jesus, not a metaphorical Son as the BRI teaches,and also teaches that Jesus is not the literal Son of God. I believe this thing that&#039;s happening with Ron Kelly is a call from God to read the booklets that Ron Kelly&#039;s Mentor for 50 years sent to him, which were booklets that proved that there is Only One True God and not a trinity. Ron Kelly made a statement saying that he felt sorry for his mentor if he believed in the One True God. I say to you Ron Kelly, don&#039;t feel sorry for your mentor of the last 50 years, you need to feel sorry for yourself if you don&#039;t heed the council of your Mentor for the last 50 years and repent of your Trinity teaching doctrine, to accept the doctrine formulated by God in 1844-45 and 46, and start teaching the truth before it&#039;s too late. In John 17:3, Jesus praying to his Father says, And this is life eternal that they might know thee the Only True God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Notice that there was no third person that we had to know in order to be saved into eternal life. That&#039;s because there is no third person that we need to know about or worship. The Father and his Son are the only ones to be exalted and worshiped onto eternal life. To Ron Kelly, God is asking for you to get with your buddy Conrad Vine call your mentor that mentored you Ron Kelly for 50 years and discuss those books that he sent to you, because he cared for you, and he wanted you to know that he as your Mentor still, that he made a mistake when he taught you that there were Trinity gods and he thought enough about you to send you that package of pamphlets. You and Conrad Divine need to study together with your mentor so that you can come out to the right conclusions. Your mentor has come to the call of God to repent of his Trinity teaching, and to try to help those he mentored for 50 years to come out of that false Doctrine, which was formed by the Catholic Church and which, the Seventh-Day Adventist Church has adopted and has run with it. God says come out of her my people that you be not deceived. I&#039;m praying for you Ron Kelly and Conrad Vine, that you become real leaders, and bring the 7th Day Adventist Church back to believing in the Only true God, the Father, and His Only Begotten Son, Jesus.  Jn.17:3, Jn.3:16, 1Jn.5:20,1Cor.8:6, 
2Cor.1:3-5, 1Tim.2:5, 
Jude 4, Jer.10:10, Duet.6:4. Read, PP. page 34-36, and please tell me what EGW says about who God is, and who Jesus is, and who the next highest being next to Christ is, which is to recieve honor. Clue, you would think it would be the Holy Spirit if the Holy Spirit were the third person of the trinity right? Wrong, EGW says, next in Honor to Christ in heaven was Lucifer.
Deut.6:4
Not one in unity, but one in number,(1) One God, not one in three, or three in one, not a trinity, ask a Jewish person what Deut.6:4 means.
 and more.
God bless!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my brothers and sisters in the 7th Day Adventist Church this problem with Conrad Vine and Ron Kelly is just another smoke screen that Satan has brought up to hide the real problem in the 7th Day Adventist Church is when they gave up the doctrines that God gave to this Remnant Church in the 1840s and was to be believed, and taught, all the way until our Lord and Savior Jesus comes the second time. And that truth is that there is only one God the Father, and he has a real Son, that the Father gave birth to Before Time even existed. And that Son is Jesus, His only begotten Son not a Son by creation, as are the angels, nor Son by adoption as this is Forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the image of the Father.<br />
And that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Father, and the spirit of the Son, not a third being, or third God, as a church teaches today. This message has been lost, and has been changed<br />
Into believing that God is a trinity of beings called, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit,<br />
 and has now been accepted as the Official doctrine of the SDA Church! The<br />
Trinity doctrine was ratified by the General conference in 1980 signifying that the Trinity Doctrine is now the official belief of The Seventh-Day Adventist Church. This should never have happened.  The church changed its religion from the religion of the One True God, who has a real Son Jesus, to believe in the doctrines of devils,the<br />
Trinity. This is where Mrs White prophesied that after she died, books of a new order would be written, our religion would be changed, and she also added that she trembled for her people.<br />
God is calling His people out of the Trinity Doctrine to come back to the original belief founded in 1844, that there is one God the Father and that He has a real Son Jesus, not a metaphorical Son as the BRI teaches,and also teaches that Jesus is not the literal Son of God. I believe this thing that&#8217;s happening with Ron Kelly is a call from God to read the booklets that Ron Kelly&#8217;s Mentor for 50 years sent to him, which were booklets that proved that there is Only One True God and not a trinity. Ron Kelly made a statement saying that he felt sorry for his mentor if he believed in the One True God. I say to you Ron Kelly, don&#8217;t feel sorry for your mentor of the last 50 years, you need to feel sorry for yourself if you don&#8217;t heed the council of your Mentor for the last 50 years and repent of your Trinity teaching doctrine, to accept the doctrine formulated by God in 1844-45 and 46, and start teaching the truth before it&#8217;s too late. In John 17:3, Jesus praying to his Father says, And this is life eternal that they might know thee the Only True God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.<br />
Notice that there was no third person that we had to know in order to be saved into eternal life. That&#8217;s because there is no third person that we need to know about or worship. The Father and his Son are the only ones to be exalted and worshiped onto eternal life. To Ron Kelly, God is asking for you to get with your buddy Conrad Vine call your mentor that mentored you Ron Kelly for 50 years and discuss those books that he sent to you, because he cared for you, and he wanted you to know that he as your Mentor still, that he made a mistake when he taught you that there were Trinity gods and he thought enough about you to send you that package of pamphlets. You and Conrad Divine need to study together with your mentor so that you can come out to the right conclusions. Your mentor has come to the call of God to repent of his Trinity teaching, and to try to help those he mentored for 50 years to come out of that false Doctrine, which was formed by the Catholic Church and which, the Seventh-Day Adventist Church has adopted and has run with it. God says come out of her my people that you be not deceived. I&#8217;m praying for you Ron Kelly and Conrad Vine, that you become real leaders, and bring the 7th Day Adventist Church back to believing in the Only true God, the Father, and His Only Begotten Son, Jesus.  Jn.17:3, Jn.3:16, 1Jn.5:20,1Cor.8:6,<br />
2Cor.1:3-5, 1Tim.2:5,<br />
Jude 4, Jer.10:10, Duet.6:4. Read, PP. page 34-36, and please tell me what EGW says about who God is, and who Jesus is, and who the next highest being next to Christ is, which is to recieve honor. Clue, you would think it would be the Holy Spirit if the Holy Spirit were the third person of the trinity right? Wrong, EGW says, next in Honor to Christ in heaven was Lucifer.<br />
Deut.6:4<br />
Not one in unity, but one in number,(1) One God, not one in three, or three in one, not a trinity, ask a Jewish person what Deut.6:4 means.<br />
 and more.<br />
God bless!!!!!</p>
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		By: Hansen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hansen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jan 2025 08:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The way the church is set up is the problem. The buildings are not owned by the local congregation. The pastor is paid by a conference, not the local congregation. Local churches should incorporate, hold title to the property which they presumably paid for, and pay the pastors from their own tithe and offerings. The idea that the tithe is sacred and must be paid to the conference is nonsense. We&#039;ve all been threatened with the curse of Malachi 3 if we don&#039;t pay. Not much different than local criminals sticking a gun in our face and demanding that we pay protection. Look up &quot;tithe&quot; in a concordance. It was used numerous ways in OT times, not just to pay a clerical class. The answer here is congregationalism. If people want women pastors and homosexual clergy, they can have them; however, I won&#039;t be attending that congregation nor will I give money that goes to support them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way the church is set up is the problem. The buildings are not owned by the local congregation. The pastor is paid by a conference, not the local congregation. Local churches should incorporate, hold title to the property which they presumably paid for, and pay the pastors from their own tithe and offerings. The idea that the tithe is sacred and must be paid to the conference is nonsense. We&#8217;ve all been threatened with the curse of Malachi 3 if we don&#8217;t pay. Not much different than local criminals sticking a gun in our face and demanding that we pay protection. Look up &#8220;tithe&#8221; in a concordance. It was used numerous ways in OT times, not just to pay a clerical class. The answer here is congregationalism. If people want women pastors and homosexual clergy, they can have them; however, I won&#8217;t be attending that congregation nor will I give money that goes to support them.</p>
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		By: Lance Mcclintock		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2024 05:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jesus is clear to leave Babylon, to cut off pieces of the body that is dead and rotten. As to prevent the whole being thrown into hell. 

As a baptized SDA, @ married in the church. Having worked along side the conference office long time ago as a sales person for SDA books. Local board member, Deacon and Sabbath school teacher. I can testify plainly that the church the laymen see is not the church behind closed doors. Having had my pastor (Michael) at MWC while it was still there leaving the church for the behind closed doors heresy and power plays. It sickens me. Having my own run in with the conference president at the time. Also kicked out of teaching position for saying we shouldn&#039;t have Santa Claus in the sanctuary and that the origins of Christmas are pagan etc. Again kicked out at southern hills for doing a Bible study on Abortion and how it is sin. I can keep going. But unless you bow the knee kiss the ring you are cattle to the leadership. It was the same way in Jesus day. They wanted to protect power and building and status. So it is today.

You must cut out the cancer or leave this. Take your entire congregation and start a fellowship in a new building. God&#039;s last day church is not a name but a love for the truth and spirit of God. Faithfully obedient to his laws and unyeilding in the face of opposition. 

The church is being infiltrated by Rome. And has already turned against the flock during covid. And will continue like allowing trans people to become members. Why keep finding the apostate rebellion.

Stop kicked a dying horse. Either do surgery and get it fixed. Or leave it to die. Gods truth marches on. But are you still marching with it. Or dying a cowards death as you are slowly boiled in apostasy?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus is clear to leave Babylon, to cut off pieces of the body that is dead and rotten. As to prevent the whole being thrown into hell. </p>
<p>As a baptized SDA, @ married in the church. Having worked along side the conference office long time ago as a sales person for SDA books. Local board member, Deacon and Sabbath school teacher. I can testify plainly that the church the laymen see is not the church behind closed doors. Having had my pastor (Michael) at MWC while it was still there leaving the church for the behind closed doors heresy and power plays. It sickens me. Having my own run in with the conference president at the time. Also kicked out of teaching position for saying we shouldn&#8217;t have Santa Claus in the sanctuary and that the origins of Christmas are pagan etc. Again kicked out at southern hills for doing a Bible study on Abortion and how it is sin. I can keep going. But unless you bow the knee kiss the ring you are cattle to the leadership. It was the same way in Jesus day. They wanted to protect power and building and status. So it is today.</p>
<p>You must cut out the cancer or leave this. Take your entire congregation and start a fellowship in a new building. God&#8217;s last day church is not a name but a love for the truth and spirit of God. Faithfully obedient to his laws and unyeilding in the face of opposition. </p>
<p>The church is being infiltrated by Rome. And has already turned against the flock during covid. And will continue like allowing trans people to become members. Why keep finding the apostate rebellion.</p>
<p>Stop kicked a dying horse. Either do surgery and get it fixed. Or leave it to die. Gods truth marches on. But are you still marching with it. Or dying a cowards death as you are slowly boiled in apostasy?</p>
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		By: Andrew		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2024 20:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/conrad-vines-martin-luther-moment-and-the-real-reason-why-pastor-ron-kelly-was-fired/comment-page-1/#comment-68456&quot;&gt;Clive Ferguson&lt;/a&gt;.

I was so blessed by what you wrote! I pray we meet one day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/conrad-vines-martin-luther-moment-and-the-real-reason-why-pastor-ron-kelly-was-fired/comment-page-1/#comment-68456">Clive Ferguson</a>.</p>
<p>I was so blessed by what you wrote! I pray we meet one day.</p>
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		By: MHE		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MHE]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2024 18:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;If there is one sin God abhors above all others, and of which his people are guilty, it is to do nothing in an emergency. Indifference, neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded by God as a grave crime and equal to hostility of the greatest magnitude toward God.&quot; (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, p. 281)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If there is one sin God abhors above all others, and of which his people are guilty, it is to do nothing in an emergency. Indifference, neutrality in a religious crisis is regarded by God as a grave crime and equal to hostility of the greatest magnitude toward God.&#8221; (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, p. 281)</p>
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		By: Gennaro		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gennaro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/conrad-vines-martin-luther-moment-and-the-real-reason-why-pastor-ron-kelly-was-fired/comment-page-1/#comment-68451&quot;&gt;Julia&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen, Amen!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/conrad-vines-martin-luther-moment-and-the-real-reason-why-pastor-ron-kelly-was-fired/comment-page-1/#comment-68451">Julia</a>.</p>
<p>Amen, Amen!</p>
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		By: Stef		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stef]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quote - &quot;And until the church addresses this legitimate grievance on the part of the members, there will be a schism in our church. &quot;

Who really is surprised by this?

The Sda church has always refuted a Christian ethic to apologise or continue to abide true Christian ethics.
The Reform Sda church debacle,
the 1st and 2nd WW mandates to send Adventists to serve in the military and engage in Sabbath duty
and other instances similar.
The recent other significant is the exclusion of non-Trinitarians from engaging in church office from 1980 from a reversion if beliefs, even though Neal Wilson promised no exclusion to believers of prior fundamentals.
The Sda church thinks it can control people&#039;s convictions and actions to share the principal doctrines of the former pioneer church who established the faith.
Those who think that coercion and control are Christian principles are not true Christian&#039;s in principle.
Personal decisions need be made to follow our true righteousness or an enforced formal religion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote &#8211; &#8220;And until the church addresses this legitimate grievance on the part of the members, there will be a schism in our church. &#8221;</p>
<p>Who really is surprised by this?</p>
<p>The Sda church has always refuted a Christian ethic to apologise or continue to abide true Christian ethics.<br />
The Reform Sda church debacle,<br />
the 1st and 2nd WW mandates to send Adventists to serve in the military and engage in Sabbath duty<br />
and other instances similar.<br />
The recent other significant is the exclusion of non-Trinitarians from engaging in church office from 1980 from a reversion if beliefs, even though Neal Wilson promised no exclusion to believers of prior fundamentals.<br />
The Sda church thinks it can control people&#8217;s convictions and actions to share the principal doctrines of the former pioneer church who established the faith.<br />
Those who think that coercion and control are Christian principles are not true Christian&#8217;s in principle.<br />
Personal decisions need be made to follow our true righteousness or an enforced formal religion.</p>
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