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	Comments on: Here’s My One Question I was able to ask the Newly Elected President of the General Conference, Erton Köhler	</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-86003&quot;&gt;YesMsJane&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen! There is a story about a king, King Ahaziah Ahabs son. The lesson  and principle takes goes to the root of the &#039;drug&#039; issue. Let&#039;s read and see what the Bible and SOP say about it:

“2 And Ahaziah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Samaria, and was sick: and he sent messengers, and said unto them, Go, enquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease. 
3 But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria, and say unto them, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that ye go to enquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron? 
4 Now therefore thus saith the LORD, Thou shalt not come down from that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die. And Elijah departed. 
5 And when the messengers turned back unto him, he said unto them, Why are ye now turned back? 
6 And they said unto him, There came a man up to meet us, and said unto us, Go, turn again unto the king that sent you, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that thou sendest to enquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron? therefore thou shalt not come down from that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die. 
15 And the angel of the LORD said unto Elijah, Go down with him: be not afraid of him. And he arose, and went down with him unto the king. 16 And he said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch as thou hast sent messengers to enquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron, is it not because there is no God in Israel to enquire of his word? therefore thou shalt not come down off that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die. 
17 So he died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram reigned in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah; because he had no son. ”
2 Kings 1:2-6, 15-17 KJV

&quot;During the father&#039;s reign, Ahaziah had witnessed the wondrous works of the Most High. He had seen the terrible evidences that God had given apostate Israel of the way in which He regards those who set aside the binding claims of His law. Ahaziah had acted as if these awful realities were but idle tales. Instead of humbling his heart before  the Lord, he had followed after Baal, and at last he had ventured upon this, his most daring act of impiety. Rebellious, and unwilling to repent, Ahaziah died, &quot;according to the word of the Lord which Elijah had spoken.&quot;
The history of King Ahaziah&#039;s sin and its punishment has in it a warning which none can disregard with impunity. Men today may not pay homage to heathen gods, yet thousands are worshiping at Satan&#039;s shrine as verily as did the king of Israel. The spirit of idolatry is rife in the world today, although, under the influence of science and education, it has assumed forms more refined and attractive than in the days when Ahaziah sought to the god of Ekron. Every day adds its sorrowful evidence that faith in the sure word of prophecy is decreasing, and that in its stead superstition and satanic witchery are captivating the minds of many.
Today the mysteries of heathen worship are replaced by the secret association and seances, the obscurities and wonders, of spiritistic mediums. The disclosures of these mediums are eagerly received by thousands who refuse to accept light from God&#039;s word or through His Spirit. Believers in spiritism may speak with scorn of the magicians of old, but the great deceiver laughs in triumph as they yield to his arts under a different form.
There are many who shrink with horror from the thought of consulting spirit mediums, but who are attracted by more pleasing forms of spiritism. Others are led astray by the teachings of Christian Science, and by the mysticism of Theosophy and other Oriental religions.
The apostles of nearly all forms of spiritism claim to have power to heal. They attribute this power to electricity, magnetism, the so-called &quot;sympathetic remedies,&quot; or to latent forces within the mind of man. And there are not a few, even in this Christian age, who go to these healers, instead of trusting in the power of the living God and the skill of well-qualified physicians. The mother, watching by the sickbed of her child, exclaims, &quot;I can do no more. Is there no physician who has power to restore my child?&quot; She is told of the wonderful cures performed by some clairvoyant or magnetic healer, and she trusts her dear one to his charge, placing it as verily in the hand of Satan as if he were standing by her side. In many instances the future life of the child is controlled by a satanic power which it seems impossible to break.
God had cause for displeasure at Ahaziah&#039;s impiety. What had He not done to win the hearts of the people of Israel and to inspire them with confidence in Himself? For ages He had been giving His people manifestations of unexampled kindness and love. From the beginning He had shown that His &quot;delights were with the sons of men.&quot; Proverbs 8:31. He had been a very present help to all who sought Him in sincerity. Yet now the king of Israel, turning from God to ask help of the worst enemy of His people, proclaimed to the heathen that he had more confidence in their idols than in the God of heaven. In the same manner do men and women dishonor Him when they turn from the Source of strength and wisdom to ask help or counsel from the powers of darkness. If God&#039;s wrath was kindled by Ahaziah&#039;s  act, how does He regard those who, having still greater light, choose to follow a similar course?
Those who give themselves up to the sorcery of Satan, may boast of great benefit received; but does this prove their course to be wise or safe? What if life should be prolonged? What if temporal gain should be secured? Will it pay in the end to have disregarded the will of God? All such apparent gain will prove at last an irrecoverable loss. We cannot with impunity break down a single barrier which God has erected to guard His people from Satan&#039;s power.&quot; PK 209.2 - PK 212.1

We focus and drugs, and yes immunizations are drugs; putting such things in our bodies is a violation of God&#039;s Commandments as we see in 1 Corinthians 6:19,20, and other places.
However, have we ever asked ourselves who are giving us these drugs? Depending on those, who create sorcery(pharmaceuticals), a method God has never approved, to heal or prevent disease is idolatry. 
Only God can heal!
When men use methods outside of God&#039;s revealed methods of Health Message - supplementing healing, it is not God who guides them, but the enemy. 

Depending on or turning to man or a drugs to save you from or heal disease, this is Idolatry. 

Emphasis//
&quot;The history of King Ahaziah&#039;s sin and its punishment has in it a warning which none can disregard with impunity. Men today may not pay homage to heathen gods, yet thousands are worshiping at Satan&#039;s shrine as verily as did the king of Israel. The spirit of idolatry is rife in the world today, although, under the influence of science and education, it has assumed forms more refined and attractive than in the days when Ahaziah sought to the god of Ekron. Every day adds its sorrowful evidence that faith in the sure word of prophecy is decreasing, and that in its stead superstition and satanic witchery are captivating the minds of many.&quot;

All these issues arise out of this:
• Liberty of Conscience was trampled on.
• Health Message trampled on.
• God&#039;s Holy Law trampled on (Idolatry).
• The right to present our bodies as a LIVING sacrifice, Romans 12:1.

There is no way you could support such things and be a SDA.

“6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: ”
Ephesians 5:6-8 KJV]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-86003">YesMsJane</a>.</p>
<p>Amen! There is a story about a king, King Ahaziah Ahabs son. The lesson  and principle takes goes to the root of the &#8216;drug&#8217; issue. Let&#8217;s read and see what the Bible and SOP say about it:</p>
<p>“2 And Ahaziah fell down through a lattice in his upper chamber that was in Samaria, and was sick: and he sent messengers, and said unto them, Go, enquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron whether I shall recover of this disease.<br />
3 But the angel of the LORD said to Elijah the Tishbite, Arise, go up to meet the messengers of the king of Samaria, and say unto them, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that ye go to enquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron?<br />
4 Now therefore thus saith the LORD, Thou shalt not come down from that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die. And Elijah departed.<br />
5 And when the messengers turned back unto him, he said unto them, Why are ye now turned back?<br />
6 And they said unto him, There came a man up to meet us, and said unto us, Go, turn again unto the king that sent you, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Is it not because there is not a God in Israel, that thou sendest to enquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron? therefore thou shalt not come down from that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die.<br />
15 And the angel of the LORD said unto Elijah, Go down with him: be not afraid of him. And he arose, and went down with him unto the king. 16 And he said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Forasmuch as thou hast sent messengers to enquire of Baal-zebub the god of Ekron, is it not because there is no God in Israel to enquire of his word? therefore thou shalt not come down off that bed on which thou art gone up, but shalt surely die.<br />
17 So he died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram reigned in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah; because he had no son. ”<br />
2 Kings 1:2-6, 15-17 KJV</p>
<p>&#8220;During the father&#8217;s reign, Ahaziah had witnessed the wondrous works of the Most High. He had seen the terrible evidences that God had given apostate Israel of the way in which He regards those who set aside the binding claims of His law. Ahaziah had acted as if these awful realities were but idle tales. Instead of humbling his heart before  the Lord, he had followed after Baal, and at last he had ventured upon this, his most daring act of impiety. Rebellious, and unwilling to repent, Ahaziah died, &#8220;according to the word of the Lord which Elijah had spoken.&#8221;<br />
The history of King Ahaziah&#8217;s sin and its punishment has in it a warning which none can disregard with impunity. Men today may not pay homage to heathen gods, yet thousands are worshiping at Satan&#8217;s shrine as verily as did the king of Israel. The spirit of idolatry is rife in the world today, although, under the influence of science and education, it has assumed forms more refined and attractive than in the days when Ahaziah sought to the god of Ekron. Every day adds its sorrowful evidence that faith in the sure word of prophecy is decreasing, and that in its stead superstition and satanic witchery are captivating the minds of many.<br />
Today the mysteries of heathen worship are replaced by the secret association and seances, the obscurities and wonders, of spiritistic mediums. The disclosures of these mediums are eagerly received by thousands who refuse to accept light from God&#8217;s word or through His Spirit. Believers in spiritism may speak with scorn of the magicians of old, but the great deceiver laughs in triumph as they yield to his arts under a different form.<br />
There are many who shrink with horror from the thought of consulting spirit mediums, but who are attracted by more pleasing forms of spiritism. Others are led astray by the teachings of Christian Science, and by the mysticism of Theosophy and other Oriental religions.<br />
The apostles of nearly all forms of spiritism claim to have power to heal. They attribute this power to electricity, magnetism, the so-called &#8220;sympathetic remedies,&#8221; or to latent forces within the mind of man. And there are not a few, even in this Christian age, who go to these healers, instead of trusting in the power of the living God and the skill of well-qualified physicians. The mother, watching by the sickbed of her child, exclaims, &#8220;I can do no more. Is there no physician who has power to restore my child?&#8221; She is told of the wonderful cures performed by some clairvoyant or magnetic healer, and she trusts her dear one to his charge, placing it as verily in the hand of Satan as if he were standing by her side. In many instances the future life of the child is controlled by a satanic power which it seems impossible to break.<br />
God had cause for displeasure at Ahaziah&#8217;s impiety. What had He not done to win the hearts of the people of Israel and to inspire them with confidence in Himself? For ages He had been giving His people manifestations of unexampled kindness and love. From the beginning He had shown that His &#8220;delights were with the sons of men.&#8221; Proverbs 8:31. He had been a very present help to all who sought Him in sincerity. Yet now the king of Israel, turning from God to ask help of the worst enemy of His people, proclaimed to the heathen that he had more confidence in their idols than in the God of heaven. In the same manner do men and women dishonor Him when they turn from the Source of strength and wisdom to ask help or counsel from the powers of darkness. If God&#8217;s wrath was kindled by Ahaziah&#8217;s  act, how does He regard those who, having still greater light, choose to follow a similar course?<br />
Those who give themselves up to the sorcery of Satan, may boast of great benefit received; but does this prove their course to be wise or safe? What if life should be prolonged? What if temporal gain should be secured? Will it pay in the end to have disregarded the will of God? All such apparent gain will prove at last an irrecoverable loss. We cannot with impunity break down a single barrier which God has erected to guard His people from Satan&#8217;s power.&#8221; PK 209.2 &#8211; PK 212.1</p>
<p>We focus and drugs, and yes immunizations are drugs; putting such things in our bodies is a violation of God&#8217;s Commandments as we see in 1 Corinthians 6:19,20, and other places.<br />
However, have we ever asked ourselves who are giving us these drugs? Depending on those, who create sorcery(pharmaceuticals), a method God has never approved, to heal or prevent disease is idolatry.<br />
Only God can heal!<br />
When men use methods outside of God&#8217;s revealed methods of Health Message &#8211; supplementing healing, it is not God who guides them, but the enemy. </p>
<p>Depending on or turning to man or a drugs to save you from or heal disease, this is Idolatry. </p>
<p>Emphasis//<br />
&#8220;The history of King Ahaziah&#8217;s sin and its punishment has in it a warning which none can disregard with impunity. Men today may not pay homage to heathen gods, yet thousands are worshiping at Satan&#8217;s shrine as verily as did the king of Israel. The spirit of idolatry is rife in the world today, although, under the influence of science and education, it has assumed forms more refined and attractive than in the days when Ahaziah sought to the god of Ekron. Every day adds its sorrowful evidence that faith in the sure word of prophecy is decreasing, and that in its stead superstition and satanic witchery are captivating the minds of many.&#8221;</p>
<p>All these issues arise out of this:<br />
• Liberty of Conscience was trampled on.<br />
• Health Message trampled on.<br />
• God&#8217;s Holy Law trampled on (Idolatry).<br />
• The right to present our bodies as a LIVING sacrifice, Romans 12:1.</p>
<p>There is no way you could support such things and be a SDA.</p>
<p>“6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them. 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: ”<br />
Ephesians 5:6-8 KJV</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2025 17:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85972&quot;&gt;Paul Williams&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85972">Paul Williams</a>.</p>
<p>Amen!</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 04:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85990&quot;&gt;Joseph&lt;/a&gt;.

We are admonished to preach the gospel. The church should have defended the right of conscience.  Study how God felt with Cain. If a young person can not go to school unless they take experimental  medical, then they can not attend( mandate) Don&#039;t insult people&#039;s intelligence  with it is a vaccine. It was about religious liberty of Conscience.  If an employer could go to the churches website and denied on that ground, not ok. There is abs zero coercion  or justification for coercion in God&#039;s word or Government. Freedom to do or not to do is what the church did not do. That is a huge difference than a shot or anything els. Next we won&#039;t help for conscience  sake not work on Sabbath. Think bigger picture, think of how God deals with others. When Cain brought the wrong offering, what did God do? How did He treat him. When he killed his brother, how did God treat him? Many other examples. Freedom is an actual  result of a choice. Like if I have a dog and it doesn&#039;t do the trick I refuse to feed it. Or a kid do this or you can&#039;t eat or sleep or live.... that is a mandate not anywhere is that a choice. God gives man freedom of thought of choice. He doesn&#039;t strike us down instantly because we choose ourselves over Him, so why do we think it is ok.
It is an issue that a small group decided for the whole, this church is not designed that way, and for good reason. It is not a few people it is tens of thousands... if you read your lessen this week, I think Monday first few paragraphs  explain how Jesus  deals with people! Dig deeper]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85990">Joseph</a>.</p>
<p>We are admonished to preach the gospel. The church should have defended the right of conscience.  Study how God felt with Cain. If a young person can not go to school unless they take experimental  medical, then they can not attend( mandate) Don&#8217;t insult people&#8217;s intelligence  with it is a vaccine. It was about religious liberty of Conscience.  If an employer could go to the churches website and denied on that ground, not ok. There is abs zero coercion  or justification for coercion in God&#8217;s word or Government. Freedom to do or not to do is what the church did not do. That is a huge difference than a shot or anything els. Next we won&#8217;t help for conscience  sake not work on Sabbath. Think bigger picture, think of how God deals with others. When Cain brought the wrong offering, what did God do? How did He treat him. When he killed his brother, how did God treat him? Many other examples. Freedom is an actual  result of a choice. Like if I have a dog and it doesn&#8217;t do the trick I refuse to feed it. Or a kid do this or you can&#8217;t eat or sleep or live&#8230;. that is a mandate not anywhere is that a choice. God gives man freedom of thought of choice. He doesn&#8217;t strike us down instantly because we choose ourselves over Him, so why do we think it is ok.<br />
It is an issue that a small group decided for the whole, this church is not designed that way, and for good reason. It is not a few people it is tens of thousands&#8230; if you read your lessen this week, I think Monday first few paragraphs  explain how Jesus  deals with people! Dig deeper</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 04:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85966&quot;&gt;Stiv Pet&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen]]></description>
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<p>Amen</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 04:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85961&quot;&gt;Perry Heinrich&lt;/a&gt;.

Unity, unity, solidarity, common good, disciple, build bridges,  time will tell. Pray God continues to call out and expose sin a d that all will confess an repent in the Lord]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85961">Perry Heinrich</a>.</p>
<p>Unity, unity, solidarity, common good, disciple, build bridges,  time will tell. Pray God continues to call out and expose sin a d that all will confess an repent in the Lord</p>
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		By: YesMsJane		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 00:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85990&quot;&gt;Joseph&lt;/a&gt;.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 &quot;What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God&#039;s.&quot;

The ingredients of these vaccines fly in the face of God&#039;s Health Laws!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85990">Joseph</a>.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 6:19-20 &#8220;What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?</p>
<p>For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God&#8217;s.&#8221;</p>
<p>The ingredients of these vaccines fly in the face of God&#8217;s Health Laws!</p>
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		By: Todd DelloBuono		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Todd DelloBuono]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 00:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here’s a breakdown of the Twitter post (now X) made by Erton Köhler on April 11, 2020, compared with his 2025 live response to the question at the General Conference, and an analysis of how the two compare—and whether there is evidence of dishonesty or contradiction.

<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4cc.png" alt="📌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Original Post by Erton Köhler – April 11, 2020:
&quot;We need a miracle! <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f64f.png" alt="🙏" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Shall we pray together for the discovery of a vaccine? Men study, but God gives intelligence. Pray for the vaccine discovery. United in prayer from 7 am to 7 pm. #StayHome #PrayTogether&quot;
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4f7.png" alt="📷" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Direct Link to the Post (https://x.com/prertonkohler/status/1248922588660805632)
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f50d.png" alt="🔍" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Content Summary:
	•	He calls the vaccine a &quot;miracle&quot; before it was even developed.
	•	He leads a prayer campaign explicitly focused on the &quot;discovery of a vaccine&quot;.
	•	He implies that God’s involvement in the vaccine development was a hopeful solution to the COVID crisis.
	•	He includes hashtags like #StayHome and #PrayTogether, echoing mainstream pandemic messaging.

<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f3a4.png" alt="🎤" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Köhler’s Response at the 2025 GC Session (in your uploaded document):
When confronted by Andy Roman about this tweet, here’s what Köhler said:
&quot;You know, when I post that post on Twitter or Instagram, I don&#039;t remember. I don&#039;t have anyone taking care of my social media. I am the one doing that.&quot; &quot;I posted that because as a world and as South America, we were facing a very challenging situation. People dying every day around us, and we were looking for something to resolve the problem.&quot; &quot;God can perform miracles and heal people, or he can send something, a medicine, a vaccine, or something that can help us.&quot; &quot;In some cases, vaccines helped us in some places.&quot;
Then, he pivots:
&quot;But we can&#039;t spend all our time in polemics regarding that.&quot;

<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2696.png" alt="⚖" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Point-by-Point Comparison:
Claim or Statement
2020 Tweet
2025 Response
Truth/Contradiction Level
He prayed for a vaccine
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Clear and public
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Admits it
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Truthful and consistent
He labeled it a “miracle”
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Yes, exact word: &quot;We need a miracle&quot; tied to the vaccine
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/274c.png" alt="❌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Downplays or avoids this label
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/26a0.png" alt="⚠" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Partial dodge
He forgot the post
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/274c.png" alt="❌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Tweet is still public, and he quoted it nearly word for word
Says: &quot;I don&#039;t remember&quot;
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/274c.png" alt="❌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Untruthful or evasive
Open promotion of vaccines
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Advocated prayer for its discovery
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f3af.png" alt="🎯" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Later claims “vaccines helped us in some places”
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/26a0.png" alt="⚠" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Half-step back
Responsibility for content
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Self-authored
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Admits no social media manager
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Consistent
Acknowledgement of controversy
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/274c.png" alt="❌" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> None
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Acknowledges controversy now
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Honest recognition
Said church makes space for all views
Not addressed in 2020
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Stated in 2025
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2705.png" alt="✅" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Public shift in tone

<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2757.png" alt="❗" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />Assessment: Is He Lying?
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f534.png" alt="🔴" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Deception #1: “I don’t remember”
	•	➤ False. The tweet is still live, and he almost perfectly paraphrased it in his answer.
	•	➤ This suggests a deliberate attempt to evade responsibility for the exact wording, especially calling it a miracle vaccine.
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f7e1.png" alt="🟡" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Deflection #2: Vaccine as “one of many options”
	•	In 2020, he positioned the vaccine as the solution from God.
	•	In 2025, he changes tone: God might work through “vaccines, remedies, or miracles.”
	•	➤ Soft contradiction, likely to distance from controversy or backlash.
<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f7e2.png" alt="🟢" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Consistency #3: No compulsion, respect for choice
	•	In 2025, he emphasizes freedom of conscience and inclusivity toward both vaccinated and unvaccinated.
	•	This aligns with traditional Adventist principles.
	•	➤ Truthful and appropriate framing (though absent from his original tweet).

<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f9ed.png" alt="🧭" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Final Evaluation:
	•	Was Köhler lying outright? ➤ Yes, when he claimed he didn’t remember the tweet—he clearly does and quoted it.
	•	Was there a doctrinal contradiction? ➤ Yes, in spirit. The tone and content of the 2020 post pushed mainstream medical solutions as miracles, which contrasts sharply with Ellen White’s reliance on natural remedies, trust in God, and caution toward pharmaceuticals.
	•	Has he shifted his stance? ➤ Yes, from strong pro-vaccine tone in 2020 to non-polemical neutrality in 2025—possibly to avoid division.

<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f4dc.png" alt="📜" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> Conclusion:
Pastor Erton Köhler’s 2020 post calling for a “miracle vaccine” directly contradicts the health principles in Ellen White’s writings and represents a more secular medical approach. His 2025 statements attempt to walk back or reframe his earlier position while avoiding accountability for calling the vaccine a divine miracle.
The evidence shows dishonesty (in memory claims), deflection (on miracle labeling), and a shift in tone to preserve credibility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s a breakdown of the Twitter post (now X) made by Erton Köhler on April 11, 2020, compared with his 2025 live response to the question at the General Conference, and an analysis of how the two compare—and whether there is evidence of dishonesty or contradiction.</p>
<p>📌 Original Post by Erton Köhler – April 11, 2020:<br />
&#8220;We need a miracle! 🙏 Shall we pray together for the discovery of a vaccine? Men study, but God gives intelligence. Pray for the vaccine discovery. United in prayer from 7 am to 7 pm. #StayHome #PrayTogether&#8221;<br />
📷 Direct Link to the Post (<a href="https://x.com/prertonkohler/status/1248922588660805632" rel="nofollow ugc">https://x.com/prertonkohler/status/1248922588660805632</a>)<br />
🔍 Content Summary:<br />
	•	He calls the vaccine a &#8220;miracle&#8221; before it was even developed.<br />
	•	He leads a prayer campaign explicitly focused on the &#8220;discovery of a vaccine&#8221;.<br />
	•	He implies that God’s involvement in the vaccine development was a hopeful solution to the COVID crisis.<br />
	•	He includes hashtags like #StayHome and #PrayTogether, echoing mainstream pandemic messaging.</p>
<p>🎤 Köhler’s Response at the 2025 GC Session (in your uploaded document):<br />
When confronted by Andy Roman about this tweet, here’s what Köhler said:<br />
&#8220;You know, when I post that post on Twitter or Instagram, I don&#8217;t remember. I don&#8217;t have anyone taking care of my social media. I am the one doing that.&#8221; &#8221;I posted that because as a world and as South America, we were facing a very challenging situation. People dying every day around us, and we were looking for something to resolve the problem.&#8221; &#8221;God can perform miracles and heal people, or he can send something, a medicine, a vaccine, or something that can help us.&#8221; &#8221;In some cases, vaccines helped us in some places.&#8221;<br />
Then, he pivots:<br />
&#8220;But we can&#8217;t spend all our time in polemics regarding that.&#8221;</p>
<p>⚖️ Point-by-Point Comparison:<br />
Claim or Statement<br />
2020 Tweet<br />
2025 Response<br />
Truth/Contradiction Level<br />
He prayed for a vaccine<br />
✅ Clear and public<br />
✅ Admits it<br />
✅ Truthful and consistent<br />
He labeled it a “miracle”<br />
✅ Yes, exact word: &#8220;We need a miracle&#8221; tied to the vaccine<br />
❌ Downplays or avoids this label<br />
⚠️ Partial dodge<br />
He forgot the post<br />
❌ Tweet is still public, and he quoted it nearly word for word<br />
Says: &#8220;I don&#8217;t remember&#8221;<br />
❌ Untruthful or evasive<br />
Open promotion of vaccines<br />
✅ Advocated prayer for its discovery<br />
🎯 Later claims “vaccines helped us in some places”<br />
⚠️ Half-step back<br />
Responsibility for content<br />
✅ Self-authored<br />
✅ Admits no social media manager<br />
✅ Consistent<br />
Acknowledgement of controversy<br />
❌ None<br />
✅ Acknowledges controversy now<br />
✅ Honest recognition<br />
Said church makes space for all views<br />
Not addressed in 2020<br />
✅ Stated in 2025<br />
✅ Public shift in tone</p>
<p>❗️Assessment: Is He Lying?<br />
🔴 Deception #1: “I don’t remember”<br />
	•	➤ False. The tweet is still live, and he almost perfectly paraphrased it in his answer.<br />
	•	➤ This suggests a deliberate attempt to evade responsibility for the exact wording, especially calling it a miracle vaccine.<br />
🟡 Deflection #2: Vaccine as “one of many options”<br />
	•	In 2020, he positioned the vaccine as the solution from God.<br />
	•	In 2025, he changes tone: God might work through “vaccines, remedies, or miracles.”<br />
	•	➤ Soft contradiction, likely to distance from controversy or backlash.<br />
🟢 Consistency #3: No compulsion, respect for choice<br />
	•	In 2025, he emphasizes freedom of conscience and inclusivity toward both vaccinated and unvaccinated.<br />
	•	This aligns with traditional Adventist principles.<br />
	•	➤ Truthful and appropriate framing (though absent from his original tweet).</p>
<p>🧭 Final Evaluation:<br />
	•	Was Köhler lying outright? ➤ Yes, when he claimed he didn’t remember the tweet—he clearly does and quoted it.<br />
	•	Was there a doctrinal contradiction? ➤ Yes, in spirit. The tone and content of the 2020 post pushed mainstream medical solutions as miracles, which contrasts sharply with Ellen White’s reliance on natural remedies, trust in God, and caution toward pharmaceuticals.<br />
	•	Has he shifted his stance? ➤ Yes, from strong pro-vaccine tone in 2020 to non-polemical neutrality in 2025—possibly to avoid division.</p>
<p>📜 Conclusion:<br />
Pastor Erton Köhler’s 2020 post calling for a “miracle vaccine” directly contradicts the health principles in Ellen White’s writings and represents a more secular medical approach. His 2025 statements attempt to walk back or reframe his earlier position while avoiding accountability for calling the vaccine a divine miracle.<br />
The evidence shows dishonesty (in memory claims), deflection (on miracle labeling), and a shift in tone to preserve credibility.</p>
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		By: Samuel Kimani Njoroge		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85992</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samuel Kimani Njoroge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2025 09:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Erton Kohler, is the new General Conference President  of  the Seventh Day Adventists. He has now succeded where his predecessor Ted Wilson has left? He&#039;s not anything different from the previous holders of this office ,which is contrary to the wise counsel of the Messenger of the Lord(Mrs. Ellen G. White). He&#039;s continuing with the same campaign of promoting the vaccines, just like his predecessor, he&#039;s not been selected to reform the apostacy that has crept into the worldwide S.D.A church. He comes from the Latin American country , Brazil which is predominantly , Roman Catholic nation. Well, this is very interesting we have two universal world wide churches with leaders coming from the western hemisphere? Pope Leo XIV, comes from the U.S, the Head of the Roman Catholic Church, while the newly elected G.C.President , comes from Brazil? Is this not Coincidence? Both have been elected on the same year. 

The S.D.A church was started by God to unmas the apostacy that had prevailed during 1,260 years of papacy&#039;s rule from (538-1798)A.D.But unfortunately , many people have been deceived into accepting deceptions from the leaders and they are following them blindly? When the S.D.A leaders start campaigning for COVID -19 vaccinations , and saying there will be no religious mandates , then you can begin to understand  something is extremely very wrong? People , were deceived to accept this poisonous  vaccines under the guise of preventing being infected by (CONTAGIOUS FLU).

Many S.D.A brethen instead of focusing on the health message instead focused so, much on Elder Wilson, and his cohorts who are promoting poisonous  vaccines. These leaders are ravening wolves in sheep&#039;s clothing many will be led astray,  i  hope these leaders will  come to their senses , and realise they are misleading the people .Let&#039;s focus on daily prayers and supplications to our lord and read our bibles  before  the time is up ? The enemy is doing all he can to lead to astray even the God&#039; s elect. These leaders are not preaching the three angels messages instead they are promting ecumenism and  vaccinations of Babylonian shundemics?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erton Kohler, is the new General Conference President  of  the Seventh Day Adventists. He has now succeded where his predecessor Ted Wilson has left? He&#8217;s not anything different from the previous holders of this office ,which is contrary to the wise counsel of the Messenger of the Lord(Mrs. Ellen G. White). He&#8217;s continuing with the same campaign of promoting the vaccines, just like his predecessor, he&#8217;s not been selected to reform the apostacy that has crept into the worldwide S.D.A church. He comes from the Latin American country , Brazil which is predominantly , Roman Catholic nation. Well, this is very interesting we have two universal world wide churches with leaders coming from the western hemisphere? Pope Leo XIV, comes from the U.S, the Head of the Roman Catholic Church, while the newly elected G.C.President , comes from Brazil? Is this not Coincidence? Both have been elected on the same year. </p>
<p>The S.D.A church was started by God to unmas the apostacy that had prevailed during 1,260 years of papacy&#8217;s rule from (538-1798)A.D.But unfortunately , many people have been deceived into accepting deceptions from the leaders and they are following them blindly? When the S.D.A leaders start campaigning for COVID -19 vaccinations , and saying there will be no religious mandates , then you can begin to understand  something is extremely very wrong? People , were deceived to accept this poisonous  vaccines under the guise of preventing being infected by (CONTAGIOUS FLU).</p>
<p>Many S.D.A brethen instead of focusing on the health message instead focused so, much on Elder Wilson, and his cohorts who are promoting poisonous  vaccines. These leaders are ravening wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothing many will be led astray,  i  hope these leaders will  come to their senses , and realise they are misleading the people .Let&#8217;s focus on daily prayers and supplications to our lord and read our bibles  before  the time is up ? The enemy is doing all he can to lead to astray even the God&#8217; s elect. These leaders are not preaching the three angels messages instead they are promting ecumenism and  vaccinations of Babylonian shundemics?</p>
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		By: Joseph		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/heres-my-one-question-i-was-able-to-ask-the-newly-elected-president-of-the-general-conference-elton-kohler/comment-page-1/#comment-85990</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2025 08:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wise answer from Pr Kohler.

In my view the matter can be seen in a very simple way.

The Bible does not forbid people from taking vaccines, nor does it command people to take it.

And so should do the church. We cannot make it a doctrine that no one should ever take a vaccine, nor make a doctrine that everyone should. Each individual is to choose for themselves.

Some individuals see their refusal / or acceptance of the vaccine on religious grounds. They are entitled to do so, but we cannot expect the church to issue a mandate or prohibition on that matter, given that the Bible doesn’t do so either.

So let’s stop arguing about it, let’s each respect one another’s decision, stop trying to impose our views on others, and let’s focus on what the gospel DOES mandate to every believer: to go out there and make disciples, and this as our #1 priority in life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wise answer from Pr Kohler.</p>
<p>In my view the matter can be seen in a very simple way.</p>
<p>The Bible does not forbid people from taking vaccines, nor does it command people to take it.</p>
<p>And so should do the church. We cannot make it a doctrine that no one should ever take a vaccine, nor make a doctrine that everyone should. Each individual is to choose for themselves.</p>
<p>Some individuals see their refusal / or acceptance of the vaccine on religious grounds. They are entitled to do so, but we cannot expect the church to issue a mandate or prohibition on that matter, given that the Bible doesn’t do so either.</p>
<p>So let’s stop arguing about it, let’s each respect one another’s decision, stop trying to impose our views on others, and let’s focus on what the gospel DOES mandate to every believer: to go out there and make disciples, and this as our #1 priority in life.</p>
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