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		By: Kelly Williams		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36199</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2023 04:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36107&quot;&gt;Tom Magnusson&lt;/a&gt;.

Some science is unequivocal.  There are still FACTS in this world, despite the narratives spewed out by the woke mob to discredit them.  For instance:  FACT: the covid-19 vaccine can cause myocarditis, heart attack, stroke, autoimmune diseases and other serious side effects.  FACT -- The SDA health message centers on the use of natural remedies -- not genetically modified experimental vaccines.  I could go on, but I think by the context, this is what the article is referring to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36107">Tom Magnusson</a>.</p>
<p>Some science is unequivocal.  There are still FACTS in this world, despite the narratives spewed out by the woke mob to discredit them.  For instance:  FACT: the covid-19 vaccine can cause myocarditis, heart attack, stroke, autoimmune diseases and other serious side effects.  FACT &#8212; The SDA health message centers on the use of natural remedies &#8212; not genetically modified experimental vaccines.  I could go on, but I think by the context, this is what the article is referring to.</p>
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		By: Kelly Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2023 04:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36185&quot;&gt;Kevin&lt;/a&gt;.

With all due respect, come on....are you serious with this comment?  Really?  It has absolutely nothing to do with the point being raised in the article.  The reference in the article is only to point out that at least somebody in the Christian world, unlike our own leadership, took a stand against the trampling upon freedom of conscience by woke authoritarians -- something that our church should have been doing since this is one of its fundamental principles.  The article does not promote or hold John MacArthur up as some sort of authority on biblical truth, since, for one thing, he is not even an SDA. Evidently, you are missing the entire point.  And, since you&#039;re obviously trying to discredit that comment, what about Elder Wilson&#039;s repeated statement that the mark of the beast is any day of the week other than the seventh day Sabbath?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36185">Kevin</a>.</p>
<p>With all due respect, come on&#8230;.are you serious with this comment?  Really?  It has absolutely nothing to do with the point being raised in the article.  The reference in the article is only to point out that at least somebody in the Christian world, unlike our own leadership, took a stand against the trampling upon freedom of conscience by woke authoritarians &#8212; something that our church should have been doing since this is one of its fundamental principles.  The article does not promote or hold John MacArthur up as some sort of authority on biblical truth, since, for one thing, he is not even an SDA. Evidently, you are missing the entire point.  And, since you&#8217;re obviously trying to discredit that comment, what about Elder Wilson&#8217;s repeated statement that the mark of the beast is any day of the week other than the seventh day Sabbath?</p>
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		By: Kevin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2023 15:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not sure why John MacArthur was referenced in this article. He was once asked, &quot;Once the person takes the mark of the beast, is there a possibility with him coming to Christ?&quot; His response, &quot; Yes&quot; he goes on to talk about the tribulation period and how it could be possible to be saved (simple youtube search and you&#039;ll find it).

But okay.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure why John MacArthur was referenced in this article. He was once asked, &#8220;Once the person takes the mark of the beast, is there a possibility with him coming to Christ?&#8221; His response, &#8221; Yes&#8221; he goes on to talk about the tribulation period and how it could be possible to be saved (simple youtube search and you&#8217;ll find it).</p>
<p>But okay.</p>
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		By: C.W. Good		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C.W. Good]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2023 14:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The SDA Church has adopted Catholicism&#039;s salvation view.  Here&#039;s some proof:  &quot;I profess that outside the Catholic Church no one is saved.&quot; -Pope Sylvester II, Profession of Faith, 991 A.D.   &quot;Like the ark, the (SDA) church will help save God&#039;s people.&quot; -Adventist Review, Aug. 9, 1984, p. 18.  &quot;The local (SDA) church becomes
the &#039;port of entry&#039; to the kingdom of God.&quot; -Adventist Review, Oct. 1, 1992, p. 23.  &quot;The SDA Church will triumph gloriously and will go through triumphantly, as a
corporate body, to the sea of glass.&quot; -Gordon W. Collier, Sr. in The Early and Latter Rain of the Holy Spirit, p. 183, in 1973.  Where do we find this thinking in John
3:16 and Acts 16:30, 31?  Again, Jesus saves people individually.  Just look at this proof at the cross when Jesus granted eternal life to the repentant thief- and
without an investigative judgment!  (Matthew 8:11 mentions that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will be in heaven by Jesus Himself in 31A.D., way before 1844. When
did these ancient saints go through an investigative judgment since it did not begin until 1844 according to SDAs?  No SDA wants to answer that question because
it destroys Ellen White and the IJ teaching, which is not Biblical.  All churches know this except the SDA Church.)  Who will use common sense and be honest?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SDA Church has adopted Catholicism&#8217;s salvation view.  Here&#8217;s some proof:  &#8220;I profess that outside the Catholic Church no one is saved.&#8221; -Pope Sylvester II, Profession of Faith, 991 A.D.   &#8220;Like the ark, the (SDA) church will help save God&#8217;s people.&#8221; -Adventist Review, Aug. 9, 1984, p. 18.  &#8220;The local (SDA) church becomes<br />
the &#8216;port of entry&#8217; to the kingdom of God.&#8221; -Adventist Review, Oct. 1, 1992, p. 23.  &#8220;The SDA Church will triumph gloriously and will go through triumphantly, as a<br />
corporate body, to the sea of glass.&#8221; -Gordon W. Collier, Sr. in The Early and Latter Rain of the Holy Spirit, p. 183, in 1973.  Where do we find this thinking in John<br />
3:16 and Acts 16:30, 31?  Again, Jesus saves people individually.  Just look at this proof at the cross when Jesus granted eternal life to the repentant thief- and<br />
without an investigative judgment!  (Matthew 8:11 mentions that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will be in heaven by Jesus Himself in 31A.D., way before 1844. When<br />
did these ancient saints go through an investigative judgment since it did not begin until 1844 according to SDAs?  No SDA wants to answer that question because<br />
it destroys Ellen White and the IJ teaching, which is not Biblical.  All churches know this except the SDA Church.)  Who will use common sense and be honest?</p>
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		By: Eric+Doering		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric+Doering]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2023 21:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36106&quot;&gt;Jacob&lt;/a&gt;.

The choice AF had as a ministry was very simple... if they preplanned the conference without knowledge of the contradiction that their headline speaker would enter into prior to the event taking place, they could:

A. Close their eyes, plug their ears and plow ahead knowing that the plow was broken, the mule was lame and the soil full of stones, or

B. Recognize the inconsistency, double speak, and desire to control the conscience as a clear indication that God is not present - those are dragon characteristics - then cancel the event at whatever cost.  

The weighing of these two options was undoubtedly done, if not by Pastor Doug, then at least by a concerned board member or department director with a shred of spiritual discernment.  We all must consider carefully where we place our allegiance and support.  If I, as a faithful and God-fearing employee of a ministry, let&#039;s say AF, see evidence of Creeping Compromise (read the book by Joe Crews) making it&#039;s way into the organization where I am contributing, then I must make a choice whether to stand for God by speaking out and leaving, or to just shrug my shoulders and say there&#039;s nothing I can do.  It may seem like lunacy to leave a good job and friends because of disagreement with the practice of the ministry, but if I am to be found faithful to God, how could I continue to support something, even by my presence as an unpaid volunteer, that is leading people into a state of confusion?  The fact is that we all must make this decision whether or not we work for AF.

In this world, there may seem to be situations where a decision cannot be overturned, but so far as I&#039;m aware, the only such decision is called the close of probation where those who have chosen to take their stand on the part of God will be place on the right and those who have caved in to the pressures of this world will be separated to the left.  This is a right or left moment for AF and its employees.

It is not an act of casting stones to identify a tree that bears bad fruit and forewarn others about the tree, lest they should partake of it and become sick... &quot;wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36106">Jacob</a>.</p>
<p>The choice AF had as a ministry was very simple&#8230; if they preplanned the conference without knowledge of the contradiction that their headline speaker would enter into prior to the event taking place, they could:</p>
<p>A. Close their eyes, plug their ears and plow ahead knowing that the plow was broken, the mule was lame and the soil full of stones, or</p>
<p>B. Recognize the inconsistency, double speak, and desire to control the conscience as a clear indication that God is not present &#8211; those are dragon characteristics &#8211; then cancel the event at whatever cost.  </p>
<p>The weighing of these two options was undoubtedly done, if not by Pastor Doug, then at least by a concerned board member or department director with a shred of spiritual discernment.  We all must consider carefully where we place our allegiance and support.  If I, as a faithful and God-fearing employee of a ministry, let&#8217;s say AF, see evidence of Creeping Compromise (read the book by Joe Crews) making it&#8217;s way into the organization where I am contributing, then I must make a choice whether to stand for God by speaking out and leaving, or to just shrug my shoulders and say there&#8217;s nothing I can do.  It may seem like lunacy to leave a good job and friends because of disagreement with the practice of the ministry, but if I am to be found faithful to God, how could I continue to support something, even by my presence as an unpaid volunteer, that is leading people into a state of confusion?  The fact is that we all must make this decision whether or not we work for AF.</p>
<p>In this world, there may seem to be situations where a decision cannot be overturned, but so far as I&#8217;m aware, the only such decision is called the close of probation where those who have chosen to take their stand on the part of God will be place on the right and those who have caved in to the pressures of this world will be separated to the left.  This is a right or left moment for AF and its employees.</p>
<p>It is not an act of casting stones to identify a tree that bears bad fruit and forewarn others about the tree, lest they should partake of it and become sick&#8230; &#8220;wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Bereanone		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bereanone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2023 11:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amen brother, what the church should be doing now is remembering how God has led us in the past.  After all, the greatest risk to the church today is to forget that very thing.  Time to dust off the Foundation Principles of Seventh-day Adventists that the Spirit of Prophesy emphatically endorsed and revive the primitive Godliness of the early church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen brother, what the church should be doing now is remembering how God has led us in the past.  After all, the greatest risk to the church today is to forget that very thing.  Time to dust off the Foundation Principles of Seventh-day Adventists that the Spirit of Prophesy emphatically endorsed and revive the primitive Godliness of the early church.</p>
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		By: V.R.+Williams		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V.R.+Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2023 03:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36025&quot;&gt;Eugene Augustin&lt;/a&gt;.

Brother, please see the link below for starters.

https://adventmessenger.org/let-mutual-love-continue-ted-wilson-at-the-ecumenical-luncheon-during-the-61st-general-conference-session-in-st-louis/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36025">Eugene Augustin</a>.</p>
<p>Brother, please see the link below for starters.</p>
<p><a href="https://adventmessenger.org/let-mutual-love-continue-ted-wilson-at-the-ecumenical-luncheon-during-the-61st-general-conference-session-in-st-louis/" rel="ugc">https://adventmessenger.org/let-mutual-love-continue-ted-wilson-at-the-ecumenical-luncheon-during-the-61st-general-conference-session-in-st-louis/</a></p>
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		By: Benjamin Watts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benjamin Watts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2023 02:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36085&quot;&gt;Kelly Williams&lt;/a&gt;.

Kelly Williams, excellent reply. Our brother Andrew O&#039;Neal wants forgiveness to be extended where none has been asked for. It is very much a necessity that Elder Wilson ask for the forgiveness of those he has hurt by supporting the mandates and not assisting those who needed the church to help them stand for bodily autonomy. Elder Wilson&#039;s actions were shameful but, with the Lord&#039;s help, he can make things right. As of yet, he has not. Just like with the women&#039;s ordination issue. That is eating the soul out of our church. God bless you Kelly Williams, and may God open the eyes of our brother Andrew O&#039;Neal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/holding-the-line-a-journey-into-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-36085">Kelly Williams</a>.</p>
<p>Kelly Williams, excellent reply. Our brother Andrew O&#8217;Neal wants forgiveness to be extended where none has been asked for. It is very much a necessity that Elder Wilson ask for the forgiveness of those he has hurt by supporting the mandates and not assisting those who needed the church to help them stand for bodily autonomy. Elder Wilson&#8217;s actions were shameful but, with the Lord&#8217;s help, he can make things right. As of yet, he has not. Just like with the women&#8217;s ordination issue. That is eating the soul out of our church. God bless you Kelly Williams, and may God open the eyes of our brother Andrew O&#8217;Neal.</p>
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		By: Tom Magnusson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Magnusson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2023 01:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;unequivocally know to be flawed science&quot;

I am not sure which science you refer to as being unequivocal but I am sure you would find great disagreement there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;unequivocally know to be flawed science&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not sure which science you refer to as being unequivocal but I am sure you would find great disagreement there.</p>
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