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Brother Mark – It’s interesting, perhaps even telling, that Paul didn’t speak to any particular subject in his comment – simply statements of inspired fact that Sister White made – yet, in your response, you applied his statements to a particular subject which you then proceeded to refute. Perhaps you have a prior knowledge of Brother Paul’s interests and have inferred his intent? Or perhaps you have a keen distaste for the subject of the feasts? Either way, take heed, brother, when refuting a subject matter that God does not call “Hebrew feasts,” but rather “MY feasts” (Lev 23). At a minimum, the council of Gamaliel to the Sanhedrin in this matter is advisable.

Sister White did make it clear that she did not have all the light. She quoted her “Guide” (Christ) as stating: “There is much light yet to shine forth from the law of God and the gospel of righteousness. This message, understood in its true character, and proclaimed in the Spirit, will lighten the earth with its glory. The great decisive question is to be brought before all nations, tongues, and peoples. The closing work of the third angel’s message will be attended with a power that will send the rays of the Sun of Righteousness into all the highways and byways of life, and decisions will be made for God.”—Manuscript 15, 1888.

In 1888, the Sabbath issue was well established and understood. Thus, we should be looking, as Brother Paul suggested, for what this “much light” (not a little light) that shines forth from the law and the gospel of righteousness could be. Righteousness is simply doing that which is righteous – this is definable as obedience to God. Again, I advise caution as you consider the following questions, as you may be found fighting against God. Does God give any direct instruction to his people in scripture to keep HIS feasts? Please look it up to confirm. Peruse Exodus 23, Exodus 24, Deuteronomy 16. Note that God’s feasts are statutes (Leviticus 23) and then count how many times He asks his people to keep his statutes, commandments and judgments in Deuteronomy. Remember that Sister White stated clearly that “These statutes were explicitly given to guard the ten commandments. They were not shadowy types to pass away with the death of Christ. They were to be binding upon men in every age as long as time should last.” Consider again what you stated in your position regarding God’s feasts – does your position require you to take a plain statement from scripture that says “Thou shalt keep the feast of…” and interpret it to say “Thou shalt NOT keep the feast of…”?

May we all be praying for wisdom and understanding from heaven.

tHe title is Kadesh- In the midst between pagan spiritualism and Christian fundamentalism. I believe you will inspired by the thoughts in that book. God Bless you

The question we need to ask ourselves am I better known as a member of The Seventh Day Adventist Church (SDA) or am I known as Jesus expects me to be known first?

If we are known more as a SDA member than we are described as disciples of Christ, it shows that we do not love each other as Christ loved his disciples and we are indifferent to know how this should be done under The Spirit of God and the majority of the people in our neighbourhood to not know we are disciples of Christ and we have lost our missionary fervour and drive in seeking the lost, the potential repentant sinner. Christ did not say…Set up a public place of worship and invite others to its place…but rather…go into all the world and bring Christ before the people, that Christ can bring the potential repentant sinner to the place of conversion and to be a part of the fold of Christ and to dwell among the fellowship of the saints.

Finally there are two school of thoughts before us which goes like this when it comes to the types of leaders that are chosen to lead out in the church….

(1) Do as I say and not as I do, listen to me, even if I do not listen to you (such are not leaders by example or role models, but like lords over the laity)

(2) Do as I say and do as I do, listen to me, as I am prepared to listen to you (such Leaders are servant leaders, both as examples and role models)

Sadly the traditional church assembly meets the overwhelming amount of time whereby the believers are the greater majority and we meet generally once/week on Sabbaths in a face-to-back/back-face formation, with many people in fewer places and yet on a whole are further apart, most churches especially the larger ones are organised in this manner…1 Pastor/1 church/1 area… where the 1st minister is a member of the clergy and many are educated to the level of a doctorate and for all this manner of meeting and doing church, the net result is always less than 100% net growth of new converts closer to zero % than to 5% upwards and there is hardly the encouragement of the home church in most of our church areas around the world.

Let there be an heaven sent revival and the church shall go full circle and we shall see the restoration of the leadership style with more besides and spiritual good church history will repeat itself again, then the home church will be restored of the church meetings and such will meet on a regular basis of once/week in each others home, which is nearer to where one lives than the traditional public place of worship. many will meet together in addition to the Sabbath meeting and it will be seen that few people shall be in many places and yet on a whole be found closer together. the pastor/area/church ratio will change, pastors will function more like conference presidents and the local elders like the pastors of the church, that we have the following possibility…

…One Team of Pastoral personnel of a group of 2 minimum/3 maximum with a wider area of churches and no minister will be seen at least once/month, with an average of 4/5 churches per individual minister who functions more as the first Missionary in the area, while the elders run the local congregations. The church will not stop here, but delayer minister down even more, each local church will be divided up into areas of North, East West and South (N.E.W.S) to spread the membership out and each regional area will be divided yet further into 4 smaller groups, which will have home churches, where face to face warming socialisation will be the premium and will meet up to critical mass, then will divide the fully grown group into smaller groups and appoint new areas and homes to spread out the wider minister, no special trained clergy will be leading in these home churches, but those directly chosen by The Spirit of God through the meeting of the fellowship groups and much much more besides.

The net results of such meetings/organisations is that each group grows much faster as groups as they spread out, swell with potential converts, shrink when critical mass is reached, create more cell/seed like groups and will grow faster by groups than the individual church will grow by individual members, with the net result of all the churches operations and needed changes due to numerical growth as a minimum of 100% net growth of all losses and this is the positive effect of The Love of Christ manifested among the revived church who learn, remain and encourage the loving atmosphere of Jesus which he had with His disciples and they learned to live according to such a love after receiving the out pouring of The Spirit of God.

To conclude, may this vision of the church, if not better come to pass much sooner than a little later, may Seventh Day Adventist be the fore3most to lift up Christ before the world, knowing the following statement by our sister E G White…

” There is nothing that will help the spiritual life as the study of the life of Christ ”
(See The Review and Herald January 6, 1910 paragraph 4 (Ellen G. White) (39%)

Bonjour,
Nous lisons dans le livre-Ellen g.white le don de prophétie-chapitre 22,à la question posé,au Tabernacle de Battle-Creek le 2 Octobre 1903 ELLEN white déclara(je ne prétends pas être prophétesse.Alors pourquoi nous arrêter sur ce sujet,seulement tout ce qu’elle à écrit,dit et vu en vision venait de DIEU POINT.

Thank u Jim n Sally!

Hi Paul. Tell me if I’m wrong but you’re implying that in addition to the Sabbath, the Hebrew feasts will be restored, and that Ellen White is implying that by her statement as well. In Prophets and Kings, page 678 paragraph 2 where she makes that statement you quoted she’s clear she’s referring to the Sabbath. There is no hint in it that she’s referring to the feasts.

The two institution God gave to us in the garden of Eden were the Sabbath and marriage. The two given to us by Christ at his first advent were Baptism and the Lord’s Supper. Both of these latter institutions were corrupted by the Roman Catholic church but partially restored by the Protestant Reformation. The commission of Adventism is to carry forward these four restorations to completion, for example in teaching the observance of the full Lord’s Supper that includes washing the feet of the brethren, and in upholding the sexual morality of scripture and the sanctity of marriage.

One thing I can say for Hohnberger is that he’s spent much of his life seeking to restore the institution of marriage. That’s in harmony with our commission to carry forward the Protestant Reformation to completion.
Hohnberger is absolutely right that the only way we can become effective channels of the Spirit to do this is by the sanctification of the character by the Spirit.