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		By: YesMsJane		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[YesMsJane]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2023 09:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-35618&quot;&gt;Sandy&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah it does they all contain &quot;Hek293&quot;
Look up the ingredient it&#039;s made from aborted fetal cell lines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-35618">Sandy</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah it does they all contain &#8220;Hek293&#8221;<br />
Look up the ingredient it&#8217;s made from aborted fetal cell lines.</p>
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		By: Sandy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sandy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2486&quot;&gt;Tallmark&lt;/a&gt;.

No it doesn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2486">Tallmark</a>.</p>
<p>No it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2022 18:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2392&quot;&gt;YesMsJane&lt;/a&gt;.

Msjane are you a sinner???? If you are then why are you allowed to be in church????. If we say that we have no sin then we make God a liar. Jesus said the well have no need for a physician the sick are those that need a physician. What&#039;s very very sad is that Satan is controlling you and your claiming Christianity. Myself and you are the created not the creator it&#039;s God&#039;s job to judge and our job to obey. So stop judging others we are not the special chosen ones we are unfortunate doomed sinners. That need to be saved from our sins just as all of the people we are judging so please stop.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2392">YesMsJane</a>.</p>
<p>Msjane are you a sinner???? If you are then why are you allowed to be in church????. If we say that we have no sin then we make God a liar. Jesus said the well have no need for a physician the sick are those that need a physician. What&#8217;s very very sad is that Satan is controlling you and your claiming Christianity. Myself and you are the created not the creator it&#8217;s God&#8217;s job to judge and our job to obey. So stop judging others we are not the special chosen ones we are unfortunate doomed sinners. That need to be saved from our sins just as all of the people we are judging so please stop.</p>
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		By: Angela Farnham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Angela Farnham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2021 00:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2378&quot;&gt;LK EK&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t understand how our church can expect people to take a experimental injection.  Fetal tissue is used in these &quot;vaccines&quot;.   Where does this fetal tissue come from?  Are there that many babies dying of natural causes they are able to harvest enough tissue to create millions AND millions of injections?  NO!!  Babies are being killed and the tissue is being sold.  BABIES are being KILLED.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2378">LK EK</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand how our church can expect people to take a experimental injection.  Fetal tissue is used in these &#8220;vaccines&#8221;.   Where does this fetal tissue come from?  Are there that many babies dying of natural causes they are able to harvest enough tissue to create millions AND millions of injections?  NO!!  Babies are being killed and the tissue is being sold.  BABIES are being KILLED.</p>
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		By: Tim		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 23:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2836&quot;&gt;Ron&lt;/a&gt;.

Adventist have taken the vaccine and died, Adventist have not taken the vaccine and died from covid, are we saying they are both unfaithful or lacked faith, I think not. It&#039;s not a question of faith if you take the vaccine or not.

We should not be coercing people to take the vaccine or to not take the vaccine, we should not be belittling people because they have a different point of view. If there is a better way then offer it, provide the facts let people decide, free conscious choice. So what if we have to wear a mask for a few months big deal. Nurses have been doing this for many years.
To take the vaccine is not going to omit you from heaven, its not a point of salvation.

We should be giving people hope, yes the bible talks about pestilence these things have to happen but there is hope, you need not be afraid.
We have a message of hope to take to the world, this is where out energy should be spent.

The point on politics I would like to make is that we should not be coercing people to vote a particular way. To say if you vote democrat then your not a Christian, that&#039;s coercion, that&#039;s belittling that is false speak and simply not correct, its too broad a brush stoke to tar everyone that way.
As Adventist we shouldn&#039;t be telling people how to vote.

We should not be causing division on these matters, however I do support the right to free choice on the covid vaccine, a bit of conundrum.

Think how much better it would be for Gods Kingdom if all this effort was put into saving the lost.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2836">Ron</a>.</p>
<p>Adventist have taken the vaccine and died, Adventist have not taken the vaccine and died from covid, are we saying they are both unfaithful or lacked faith, I think not. It&#8217;s not a question of faith if you take the vaccine or not.</p>
<p>We should not be coercing people to take the vaccine or to not take the vaccine, we should not be belittling people because they have a different point of view. If there is a better way then offer it, provide the facts let people decide, free conscious choice. So what if we have to wear a mask for a few months big deal. Nurses have been doing this for many years.<br />
To take the vaccine is not going to omit you from heaven, its not a point of salvation.</p>
<p>We should be giving people hope, yes the bible talks about pestilence these things have to happen but there is hope, you need not be afraid.<br />
We have a message of hope to take to the world, this is where out energy should be spent.</p>
<p>The point on politics I would like to make is that we should not be coercing people to vote a particular way. To say if you vote democrat then your not a Christian, that&#8217;s coercion, that&#8217;s belittling that is false speak and simply not correct, its too broad a brush stoke to tar everyone that way.<br />
As Adventist we shouldn&#8217;t be telling people how to vote.</p>
<p>We should not be causing division on these matters, however I do support the right to free choice on the covid vaccine, a bit of conundrum.</p>
<p>Think how much better it would be for Gods Kingdom if all this effort was put into saving the lost.</p>
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		By: Fsrt		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fsrt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2400&quot;&gt;Tim&lt;/a&gt;.

Church members and leaders at times have become involved in politics with which they had no business being involved. But if our leadership doesn&#039;t understand the idea that freedom of conscience has everything to do with the spiritual warfare we are involved in then they should no longer be our leadership. 

Reducing certain issues to &quot; just politics&quot; is exactly what the enemy desires so that once we realize its significance it will be too late. We can&#039;t say that vaccination for example should be a personal choice when that choice is being taken away. 

The issue isn&#039;t civil liberties or politics, it is freedom of conscience. That which is quickly being eroded and setting the stage for persecution. 

Bible history has taught us the impact that bad leadership has had on His people. 

Yes, pray for our leaders, but also speak the truth. We can no longer remain neutral during a time of spiritual crisis. We are living in the end times and we can&#039;t remain neutral especially while our leaders insist we seek peace and prosperity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2400">Tim</a>.</p>
<p>Church members and leaders at times have become involved in politics with which they had no business being involved. But if our leadership doesn&#8217;t understand the idea that freedom of conscience has everything to do with the spiritual warfare we are involved in then they should no longer be our leadership. </p>
<p>Reducing certain issues to &#8221; just politics&#8221; is exactly what the enemy desires so that once we realize its significance it will be too late. We can&#8217;t say that vaccination for example should be a personal choice when that choice is being taken away. </p>
<p>The issue isn&#8217;t civil liberties or politics, it is freedom of conscience. That which is quickly being eroded and setting the stage for persecution. </p>
<p>Bible history has taught us the impact that bad leadership has had on His people. </p>
<p>Yes, pray for our leaders, but also speak the truth. We can no longer remain neutral during a time of spiritual crisis. We are living in the end times and we can&#8217;t remain neutral especially while our leaders insist we seek peace and prosperity.</p>
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		By: Ron		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2021 01:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2416&quot;&gt;Beth Fowler&lt;/a&gt;.

Stop bastardizing the Scriptures. Always gotta be a few in the crowd who would gut their own children if the government told them to, because, government!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2416">Beth Fowler</a>.</p>
<p>Stop bastardizing the Scriptures. Always gotta be a few in the crowd who would gut their own children if the government told them to, because, government!</p>
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		By: Ron		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2021 01:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2400&quot;&gt;Tim&lt;/a&gt;.

Tim, dude, how is it you don&#039;t see that all this covid stuff is ALREADY politicized? Every single part of it. And since &quot;covid&quot; has been used as excuse to lock up churches and change the entire nature of worship for many around the world, how can you sit there with a straight face to tell us our mission is not to &quot;argue about vaccines or politics&quot;? We MUST deal with these issues, because they are affecting every single part of our lives. You don&#039;t get to dictate to the rest of us what we should or should not be concerned about. And if you don&#039;t think these issues are not tied to &quot;questions of faith or salvation&quot;, then, you have not been paying attention for the last year and a half. But hey, enjoy your ignorance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2400">Tim</a>.</p>
<p>Tim, dude, how is it you don&#8217;t see that all this covid stuff is ALREADY politicized? Every single part of it. And since &#8220;covid&#8221; has been used as excuse to lock up churches and change the entire nature of worship for many around the world, how can you sit there with a straight face to tell us our mission is not to &#8220;argue about vaccines or politics&#8221;? We MUST deal with these issues, because they are affecting every single part of our lives. You don&#8217;t get to dictate to the rest of us what we should or should not be concerned about. And if you don&#8217;t think these issues are not tied to &#8220;questions of faith or salvation&#8221;, then, you have not been paying attention for the last year and a half. But hey, enjoy your ignorance.</p>
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		By: Ron		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2021 01:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2467&quot;&gt;Fran&lt;/a&gt;.

And satan agrees with that as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/mark-finley-many-are-stirring-up-controversy-in-adventism-by-speaking-against-government-mandates/comment-page-1/#comment-2467">Fran</a>.</p>
<p>And satan agrees with that as well.</p>
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