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		By: Deniese		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Mar 2022 20:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17570&quot;&gt;LINDA TAYLOR&lt;/a&gt;.

Many still read the SOP my friend....many still regard the truths and teachings of this message as life unto life.  We cannot assume because the majority walk away from it, that all do.  Remember Elijah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17570">LINDA TAYLOR</a>.</p>
<p>Many still read the SOP my friend&#8230;.many still regard the truths and teachings of this message as life unto life.  We cannot assume because the majority walk away from it, that all do.  Remember Elijah.</p>
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		By: Harry Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2022 04:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17570&quot;&gt;LINDA TAYLOR&lt;/a&gt;.

My church is currently facing a meat question with our pantry.  While we might argue the point, the larger problem is that this did not rise to a level of concern until someone outside the operation realized that some of the meats were unclean meat.  Here is a recent statement from a servant of the pantry....

&quot;The (city name) SDA Church pantry does not enforce religious dietary fundamentals on the diverse people it serves. With that said, we don&#039;t order Pork or buy it. We chiefly rely on the free will donations from the Food bank of (regional name). We are THANKFUL  for everything freely given to our pantry. The pork loins fill and empty freezer for starving families. The food bank has richly blessed the needy families in the (city area).&quot;

There are multiple things here I find of concern.

As of this moment, It is my understanding that this was brought to a &#039;next level&#039; (conference) member which resulted in a response which basically supported the pantry and their action.

This is now at the board level of our church.  We shall see what happens soon.

Something makes me think that I have mentioned this &quot;issue&quot; some weeks in the past in another post...  Probably something about prophesy.

Additionally, I hold a similar sentiment  &quot;No one reads the SOP anymore&quot;.  

A whole other conversation I wish I could have in my church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17570">LINDA TAYLOR</a>.</p>
<p>My church is currently facing a meat question with our pantry.  While we might argue the point, the larger problem is that this did not rise to a level of concern until someone outside the operation realized that some of the meats were unclean meat.  Here is a recent statement from a servant of the pantry&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The (city name) SDA Church pantry does not enforce religious dietary fundamentals on the diverse people it serves. With that said, we don&#8217;t order Pork or buy it. We chiefly rely on the free will donations from the Food bank of (regional name). We are THANKFUL  for everything freely given to our pantry. The pork loins fill and empty freezer for starving families. The food bank has richly blessed the needy families in the (city area).&#8221;</p>
<p>There are multiple things here I find of concern.</p>
<p>As of this moment, It is my understanding that this was brought to a &#8216;next level&#8217; (conference) member which resulted in a response which basically supported the pantry and their action.</p>
<p>This is now at the board level of our church.  We shall see what happens soon.</p>
<p>Something makes me think that I have mentioned this &#8220;issue&#8221; some weeks in the past in another post&#8230;  Probably something about prophesy.</p>
<p>Additionally, I hold a similar sentiment  &#8220;No one reads the SOP anymore&#8221;.  </p>
<p>A whole other conversation I wish I could have in my church.</p>
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		By: Harry Wilson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harry Wilson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2022 03:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17570&quot;&gt;LINDA TAYLOR&lt;/a&gt;.

My church is currently facing a meat question with our pantry.  While we might argue the point, the larger problem is that this did not rise to a level of concern until someone outside the operation realized that some of the meats were unclean meat.  Here is a recent statement from a servant of the pantry....

&quot;The (city name) SDA Church pantry does not enforce religious dietary fundamentals on the diverse people it serves. With that said, we don&#039;t order Pork or buy it. We chiefly rely on the free will donations from the Food bank of (regional name). We are THANKFUL  for everything freely given to our pantry. The pork loins fill and empty freezer for starving families. The food bank has richly blessed the needy families in the (city area).&quot;

There are several multiple things here I have issue with.

It is my understanding that this was brought to a &#039;next level&#039; (conference) member which resulted in a response which basically supported the pantry and their action.

This is now at the board level of our church.  We shall see what happens soon.

Something makes me think that I have mentioned this &quot;issue&quot; some weeks in the past in another post...  Probably something about prophesy.

Additionally, I hold a similar sentiment  &quot;No one reads the SOP anymore&quot;.  

A whole other conversation I wish I could have in my church.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17570">LINDA TAYLOR</a>.</p>
<p>My church is currently facing a meat question with our pantry.  While we might argue the point, the larger problem is that this did not rise to a level of concern until someone outside the operation realized that some of the meats were unclean meat.  Here is a recent statement from a servant of the pantry&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The (city name) SDA Church pantry does not enforce religious dietary fundamentals on the diverse people it serves. With that said, we don&#8217;t order Pork or buy it. We chiefly rely on the free will donations from the Food bank of (regional name). We are THANKFUL  for everything freely given to our pantry. The pork loins fill and empty freezer for starving families. The food bank has richly blessed the needy families in the (city area).&#8221;</p>
<p>There are several multiple things here I have issue with.</p>
<p>It is my understanding that this was brought to a &#8216;next level&#8217; (conference) member which resulted in a response which basically supported the pantry and their action.</p>
<p>This is now at the board level of our church.  We shall see what happens soon.</p>
<p>Something makes me think that I have mentioned this &#8220;issue&#8221; some weeks in the past in another post&#8230;  Probably something about prophesy.</p>
<p>Additionally, I hold a similar sentiment  &#8220;No one reads the SOP anymore&#8221;.  </p>
<p>A whole other conversation I wish I could have in my church.</p>
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		By: Paul Marcok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Marcok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2022 22:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are vegetarian zealots, who go too far - as there are those going too far in other aspects of spiritual life - focusing only on eating meat, like it was great sin, even mocking/insulting those who eat meat. While on the other hand they are overindulging in consumption of other more harmful foods, like sugar. E.G.W. writes - by God`s directives, that sugar is more harmful to our health that meat is. But I never saw much - if any,  articles on AM about sugar danger.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are vegetarian zealots, who go too far &#8211; as there are those going too far in other aspects of spiritual life &#8211; focusing only on eating meat, like it was great sin, even mocking/insulting those who eat meat. While on the other hand they are overindulging in consumption of other more harmful foods, like sugar. E.G.W. writes &#8211; by God`s directives, that sugar is more harmful to our health that meat is. But I never saw much &#8211; if any,  articles on AM about sugar danger.</p>
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		By: Paul Marcok		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Marcok]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;They have violated the laws of health. By the eating of flesh meat and of rich, highly spiced food, they have injured the digestive organs; and if they would get well, they must adopt a simple, wholesome diet&quot;. E.G.W. (Manuscript 35. 1905.) By this statement She - E.G.W. - condemned God for doing the same - i.e. violating laws of health which He himself has set up, - in Genesis 9:3. Gen. 18:8, and in Luke 24:42-43. Mind you, i DO eat meat products though I try to eat as little of them as possible. And I do not condemn/accuse those who don`t eat any meat, of anything. And I know for SURE that in God`s eyes they are not any better more holier nor more loved by God than me who eats meat.

Romans 14: 1-3  -&quot;1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on his opinions.a 2For one person has faith to eat all things, while another, who is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They have violated the laws of health. By the eating of flesh meat and of rich, highly spiced food, they have injured the digestive organs; and if they would get well, they must adopt a simple, wholesome diet&#8221;. E.G.W. (Manuscript 35. 1905.) By this statement She &#8211; E.G.W. &#8211; condemned God for doing the same &#8211; i.e. violating laws of health which He himself has set up, &#8211; in Genesis 9:3. Gen. 18:8, and in Luke 24:42-43. Mind you, i DO eat meat products though I try to eat as little of them as possible. And I do not condemn/accuse those who don`t eat any meat, of anything. And I know for SURE that in God`s eyes they are not any better more holier nor more loved by God than me who eats meat.</p>
<p>Romans 14: 1-3  -&#8220;1Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on his opinions.a 2For one person has faith to eat all things, while another, who is weak, eats only vegetables. 3The one who eats everything must not belittle the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted him. 4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Renee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Renee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2022 11:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Terrible…just terrible…where is our health message? This is sin! We are to teach the people to eat healthy not diseased meat. Looks like pork in the picture too….sad!
What a slap in the face to our Lord and Savior!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrible…just terrible…where is our health message? This is sin! We are to teach the people to eat healthy not diseased meat. Looks like pork in the picture too….sad!<br />
What a slap in the face to our Lord and Savior!</p>
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		By: TByrd		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TByrd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2022 02:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17841&quot;&gt;Gerald Moretz&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for your encouraging words.  I’m overwhelmed with what is happening within our church and so many are oblivious and others are embracing this apostasy. Our Lord’s heart must be breaking.  Wake us up and Come soon Lord Jesus!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17841">Gerald Moretz</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for your encouraging words.  I’m overwhelmed with what is happening within our church and so many are oblivious and others are embracing this apostasy. Our Lord’s heart must be breaking.  Wake us up and Come soon Lord Jesus!</p>
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		By: Trevor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2022 10:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17642&quot;&gt;LK&lt;/a&gt;.

Greater reforms should be seen among the people who claim to be looking for the soon appearing of Christ. Health reform is to do among our people a work which it has not yet done. There are those who ought to be awake to the danger of meat eating who are still eating the flesh of animals, thus endangering the physical, mental, and spiritual health. Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God’s people, to walk no more with them.—The Review and Herald, May 27, 1902. – {LDE 82.1}]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/north-pacific-union-conference-our-new-health-message-consists-in-promoting-flesh-foods-to-the-general-public/comment-page-1/#comment-17642">LK</a>.</p>
<p>Greater reforms should be seen among the people who claim to be looking for the soon appearing of Christ. Health reform is to do among our people a work which it has not yet done. There are those who ought to be awake to the danger of meat eating who are still eating the flesh of animals, thus endangering the physical, mental, and spiritual health. Many who are now only half converted on the question of meat eating will go from God’s people, to walk no more with them.—The Review and Herald, May 27, 1902. – {LDE 82.1}</p>
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		By: Anthony van Wolferen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anthony van Wolferen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2022 04:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My first question would be:  Are these people that are promoting these flesh foods, Seventh-day Adventists?  Today its the health message they are throwing by the wayside.  What principle(s) will they discard tomorrow?  Will it be the holy Sabbath day that they will throw out next?  Are they still calling themselves Seventh-day Adventists?  Why?  What do they have to offer the world?

Ellen White prophesied that the day is coming that it will no longer be safe to partake of flesh foods.  She wrote, &quot;Flesh foods are injurious to the physical well being, and we should learn to do without them,  Those who are in a position where it is possible to secure a vegetarian diet, but who choose to follow their own preferences in this matter, eating and drinking as they please, will gradually grow careless of the instruction the Lord has given regarding other phases of the present truth 
and will lose their perception of what is truth;  they will surely reap as they have sown,&quot;  Counsels on Health p. 130.2

&quot;There are many who feel that they cannot get along without flesh foods;  but if these would place themselves on the Lord&#039;s side, resolutely resolved to walk in the way of His guidance they would receive strength and wisdom as did Daniel and his fellows&quot;.  

There is a message in the Bible for these so-called Seventh-day Adventists:

&quot;HIS WATCHMEN ARE BLIND;  THEY ARE ALL IGNORANT, THEY ARE ALL DUMB DOGS, THEY CANNOT BARK, SLEEPING, LYING DOWN, LOVING TO SLUMBER&quot;.  

ISAIAH 56:10]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first question would be:  Are these people that are promoting these flesh foods, Seventh-day Adventists?  Today its the health message they are throwing by the wayside.  What principle(s) will they discard tomorrow?  Will it be the holy Sabbath day that they will throw out next?  Are they still calling themselves Seventh-day Adventists?  Why?  What do they have to offer the world?</p>
<p>Ellen White prophesied that the day is coming that it will no longer be safe to partake of flesh foods.  She wrote, &#8220;Flesh foods are injurious to the physical well being, and we should learn to do without them,  Those who are in a position where it is possible to secure a vegetarian diet, but who choose to follow their own preferences in this matter, eating and drinking as they please, will gradually grow careless of the instruction the Lord has given regarding other phases of the present truth<br />
and will lose their perception of what is truth;  they will surely reap as they have sown,&#8221;  Counsels on Health p. 130.2</p>
<p>&#8220;There are many who feel that they cannot get along without flesh foods;  but if these would place themselves on the Lord&#8217;s side, resolutely resolved to walk in the way of His guidance they would receive strength and wisdom as did Daniel and his fellows&#8221;.  </p>
<p>There is a message in the Bible for these so-called Seventh-day Adventists:</p>
<p>&#8220;HIS WATCHMEN ARE BLIND;  THEY ARE ALL IGNORANT, THEY ARE ALL DUMB DOGS, THEY CANNOT BARK, SLEEPING, LYING DOWN, LOVING TO SLUMBER&#8221;.  </p>
<p>ISAIAH 56:10</p>
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