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Dear Pastor, I have read the Book Last Day Events on many occasions and still reading it, as it is self explanatory to the issues that will impact the S.D.A. Church in the end time. Ellen White Stated ” I warn you to beware of side issues whose tendency is to divert the minds from the truth. Error is never harmless, never sanctifies, but always bring confusion and dissentions. Last Day Events Pg. 91. As it Relates to Dr Conrod, his Speech was very Controversial, therefore, the Spirit of God will not participate in disunity. L. D. E. Pg. 91 ” One accepts some new and original idea which does not seem to him to be clothed with beauty and importance. Satan has power to give this false appearance. it will become the great point around which everything will centers while the truth is uprooted. Men and Women will arise Professing to have some new light or Revelations, whose tendency is to create doubts or unsettled doubts in the old landmarks. We cannot be too watchful against every error for the Devil is constantly seeking to draw men from the truth. L.D.E. Pg. 91 – 92. ” I urge those who claim to believe the truth to walk in unity with each other. Do not seem to give to the world the occasion that is suggesting extremism, and that we are disunited, one teaches one thing, and one the other. Avoid dissentions “. L.D.E. Pg. 92.

Hi, Could you please elaborate more about the “Amalgamation” point? Thank you

C

Liar. He did not

,, Dr. Conrad Vine has been really leal when it comes to preaching the true
Certainly not DOUBT the enemy wants to stop him someway!

God will arouse His people; if other means fail, heresies will come in among them, which will sift them, separating the chaff from the wheat. The Lord calls upon all who believe His word to awake out of sleep. Precious light has come, appropriate for this time. It is Bible truth, showing the perils that are right upon us. This light should lead us to a diligent study of the Scriptures and a most critical examination of the positions which we hold. God would have all the bearings and positions of truth thoroughly and perseveringly searched, with prayer and fasting. Believers are not to rest in suppositions and ill-defined ideas of what constitutes truth. Their faith must be firmly founded upon the word of God so that when the testing time shall come and they are brought before councils to answer for their faith they may be able to give a reason for the hope that is in them, with meekness and fear. 5T 707.3

Agitate, agitate, agitate. The subjects which we present to the world must be to us a living reality. It is important that in defending the doctrines which we consider fundamental articles of faith we should never allow ourselves to employ arguments that are not wholly sound. These may avail to silence an opposer, but they do not honor the truth. 5T 708.1

“Never was there greater need of faithful warnings and reproofs … than at this very time. Satan has come down with great power, knowing that his time is short. He is flooding the world with pleasing fables, and the people of God love to have smooth things spoken to them…. I was shown that God’s people must make more firm, determined efforts to press back the incoming darkness. The close work of the Spirit of God is needed now as never before.” 5T 676.3

I am disappointed to hear the justification of Pr Steven Bohr (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A4nHbIpZL0) for canceling Dr Vine particularly as he too has been canceled by others for holding views which they consider to be divisive!

It seems to me that Pr Bohr has not accepted the possibility that Holy Spirit that may be using Pr Vine to deal with these matters just as He used John the Baptist as a voice crying in the wilderness to prepare his church for the coming of the Lord!

The idea that the conferences “that go woke should go broke” seems to me to be in harmony with principles that are set forth in both the Bible and the writings of Ellen White.

In the parable of the talents we find a good example of this principle.

The servant that did not make wise use of the resources entrusted to him had it taken from him and given to one that did.

I also find it interesting that what seems to have gotten us into this mess in the first place was money and that this is also at the root of the current controversy!

The church appears to have complied with the state over the plandemic to sustain it’s financial support from them. And they even accepted furlough monies (UK equivalent of the CARES – Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security) from governments to support the work of ministry yet the principle of tithing that has been sold to us is that it should be the only means by which ministers can be financially supported!

Now the desire to maintain the tithe income coming into the conferences at any cost is what is at the heart of the latest controversy. Notice that Bohr’s contention is not with Vine’s well known position on and repudiation of the denomination’s plandemic response but with Vine’s suggestion of a redirection of the tithe to support conferences that are actually doing what it is intended to support!

We need to re-study the tithe issue as it seems to me that for many of us our understanding and practice of tithing is not in harmony with Biblical principles and intent.

The financial support of the gospel ministry (and it is questionable whether this support was ever monetary in the Biblical tithing system) was never intended to support the office of the minister but rather the work of ministry. In other words only those that are actually “minister about holy things” should benefit from it!

1 Cor 9:9 – For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?

1 Cor 9:13-14 – Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Those that claim to “minister about holy things” by virtue of their appointment but are not actually doing so should be defunded and cast out as “wicked and slothful” servants! And the resources that they would have received redirected to those that are doing God’s bidding.

Mat 25:26-29 – His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed: 27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury. 28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents. 29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.

Sis White also has statements that seem in essence to be saying the say thing:-

“So often the same old difficulties arise and are presented in regard to disturbing the “regular lines.” But God will work in some way to make His people understand that the regular lines have become full of irregular practices.

… I want my brethren to begin to understand some things for themselves. God alone, by the quickening, vivifying influence of His Holy Spirit, can enable men to distinguish between the sacred and the common. God alone can make men understand that working on regular lines has led to irregular practices. God alone can make men’s minds as they should be. The time has come when we should hear less in favor of the regular lines. If we can get away from the regular lines into something which, though irregular, is after God’s order, it may cut away something of the irregular working which has led away from Bible principles.” 16LtMs, Lt 65, 1901, par. 15 – 16LtMs, Lt 65, 1901, par. 17

And when she uses the words “regular lines” in this way she is commenting on the practice of tithing through our conferences.

If the work in this field had in the past been recognized by the General Conference, if the help had been given that the importance of the field demands, there would be some reason why the work should be carried in the regular lines. But in many parts of the South the regular lines cannot now be followed. Every dollar of the tithe raised in the South should be used in the South, and besides this, additional help will be needed. The past showing of the General Conference with regard to the Southern field is a very poor one. The work has been hindered in such a way that God has been greatly dishonored. The strange neglect of the Southern field is a startling rebuke to those who bear the name of Seventh-day Adventist. 16LtMs, Lt 59, 1901, par. 2

Therefore “irregular lines” must speak of financing the gospel work through tithing other than through our conferences and in other quotes (as th one above) she says that a time will become necessary for this to happen!

“The tithe should go to those who labor in word and doctrine, be they men or women.”—Manuscript 149, 1899. Ev 492.2

“It would be poor policy to support from the treasury of God those who really mar and injure His work, and who are constantly lowering the standard of Christianity.” 3T 553.2