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		By: Adrian		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[And the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem. 

And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.
 
And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant. 

And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.
 
And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven. 
2 Kings 23:1-5

This is what true repentance/atonement for apostasy looks like.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the king sent, and they gathered unto him all the elders of Judah and of Jerusalem. </p>
<p>And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.</p>
<p>And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people stood to the covenant. </p>
<p>And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, and the priests of the second order, and the keepers of the door, to bring forth out of the temple of the LORD all the vessels that were made for Baal, and for the grove, and for all the host of heaven: and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.</p>
<p>And he put down the idolatrous priests, whom the kings of Judah had ordained to burn incense in the high places in the cities of Judah, and in the places round about Jerusalem; them also that burned incense unto Baal, to the sun, and to the moon, and to the planets, and to all the host of heaven.<br />
2 Kings 23:1-5</p>
<p>This is what true repentance/atonement for apostasy looks like.</p>
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		By: Jason		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Mar 2023 01:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JUST AS IS THE CASE W/OUR PRESIDENT,(OF THE NATION,)SO IT IS W/OUR CONFERENCE LEADERSHIP...WE HAVE A &quot;JESUIT HANDLER&quot; PROBLEM...THEY ARE TOLD WHAT THEY CAN &#038; CANNOT DO,THEY ARE TOLD HOW FAR THEY CAN GO,THEY ARE TOLD TO &quot;PROTECT THE POPE&quot; AT ALL COSTS...WHAT TYPE OF REFORMS ARE POSSIBLE/LIKELY AS LONG AS THIS IS THE CASE?...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JUST AS IS THE CASE W/OUR PRESIDENT,(OF THE NATION,)SO IT IS W/OUR CONFERENCE LEADERSHIP&#8230;WE HAVE A &#8220;JESUIT HANDLER&#8221; PROBLEM&#8230;THEY ARE TOLD WHAT THEY CAN &amp; CANNOT DO,THEY ARE TOLD HOW FAR THEY CAN GO,THEY ARE TOLD TO &#8220;PROTECT THE POPE&#8221; AT ALL COSTS&#8230;WHAT TYPE OF REFORMS ARE POSSIBLE/LIKELY AS LONG AS THIS IS THE CASE?&#8230;</p>
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		By: Jacob		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Holding the Line is an Amazing Facts production for which Ted Wilson was invited to speak. Ted Wilson did not organize the event.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holding the Line is an Amazing Facts production for which Ted Wilson was invited to speak. Ted Wilson did not organize the event.</p>
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		By: Jon		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[KJV Ezekiel 8:6, 9-16
6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.
9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.
11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.
13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.
14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD&#039;S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD&#039;S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.


KJV Ezekiel 9:4
4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.


In the time of the end the people of God will sigh and cry for the abominations done in the land. With tears they will warn the wicked of their danger in trampling upon the divine law, and with unutterable sorrow they will humble themselves before the Lord in penitence. The wicked will mock their sorrow and ridicule their solemn appeals. But the anguish and humiliation of God&#039;s people is unmistakable evidence that they are regaining the strength and nobility of character lost in consequence of sin. It is because they are drawing nearer to Christ, because their eyes are fixed on His perfect purity, that they discern so clearly the exceeding sinfulness of sin. Meekness and lowliness are the conditions of success and victory. A crown of glory awaits those who bow at the foot of the cross.{PK 590.2}


KJV Isaiah 56:10-12
10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KJV Ezekiel 8:6, 9-16<br />
6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.<br />
9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.<br />
10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.<br />
11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.<br />
12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.<br />
13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.<br />
14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD&#8217;S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.<br />
15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.<br />
16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD&#8217;S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.</p>
<p>KJV Ezekiel 9:4<br />
4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.</p>
<p>In the time of the end the people of God will sigh and cry for the abominations done in the land. With tears they will warn the wicked of their danger in trampling upon the divine law, and with unutterable sorrow they will humble themselves before the Lord in penitence. The wicked will mock their sorrow and ridicule their solemn appeals. But the anguish and humiliation of God&#8217;s people is unmistakable evidence that they are regaining the strength and nobility of character lost in consequence of sin. It is because they are drawing nearer to Christ, because their eyes are fixed on His perfect purity, that they discern so clearly the exceeding sinfulness of sin. Meekness and lowliness are the conditions of success and victory. A crown of glory awaits those who bow at the foot of the cross.{PK 590.2}</p>
<p>KJV Isaiah 56:10-12<br />
10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.<br />
11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.<br />
12 Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.</p>
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		By: MARK SHIPOWICK		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MARK SHIPOWICK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 11:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But, I&#039;ll withhold judgment on what comes out of the upcoming Holding the Line rally.  If Wilson is willing to associate himself with ministers like Bachelor and Rafferty who have been holding the line, that is a positive sign.  He&#039;s in my prayers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, I&#8217;ll withhold judgment on what comes out of the upcoming Holding the Line rally.  If Wilson is willing to associate himself with ministers like Bachelor and Rafferty who have been holding the line, that is a positive sign.  He&#8217;s in my prayers.</p>
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		By: MARK+SHIPOWICK		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 11:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Elder Wilson, unfortunately, has not only failed to act, he has actively taken part in dismantling the religious liberty foundations of the church during the Covid pandemic.  When the issue of the church&#039;s position statement was brought to the floor at the 2022 fall counsel he came forward courageously to remove it from the floor.  His courage unfortunately is misplaced.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elder Wilson, unfortunately, has not only failed to act, he has actively taken part in dismantling the religious liberty foundations of the church during the Covid pandemic.  When the issue of the church&#8217;s position statement was brought to the floor at the 2022 fall counsel he came forward courageously to remove it from the floor.  His courage unfortunately is misplaced.</p>
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		By: Alan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 11:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Writing that letter is a good start but i do not call it a reformation. If the people reform thru the power of the Holy Spirit then we have a reformation.

  A revival and a reformation must take place under the ministration of the Holy Spirit. Revival and reformation are two different things. Revival signifies a renewal of spiritual life, a quickening of the powers of mind and heart, a resurrection from the spiritual death. Reformation signifies a reorganization, a change in ideas and theories, habits and practices. Reformation will not bring forth the good fruit of righteousness unless it is connected with the revival of the Spirit. Revival and reformation are to do their appointed work, and in doing this work they must blend.-- Review and Herald, Feb. 25, 1902.  {ChS 42.2}]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing that letter is a good start but i do not call it a reformation. If the people reform thru the power of the Holy Spirit then we have a reformation.</p>
<p>  A revival and a reformation must take place under the ministration of the Holy Spirit. Revival and reformation are two different things. Revival signifies a renewal of spiritual life, a quickening of the powers of mind and heart, a resurrection from the spiritual death. Reformation signifies a reorganization, a change in ideas and theories, habits and practices. Reformation will not bring forth the good fruit of righteousness unless it is connected with the revival of the Spirit. Revival and reformation are to do their appointed work, and in doing this work they must blend.&#8211; Review and Herald, Feb. 25, 1902.  {ChS 42.2}</p>
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		By: R. Butler		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R. Butler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 03:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting that a lion with eagles wings was the symbol chosen for the knight&#039;s breastplate...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that a lion with eagles wings was the symbol chosen for the knight&#8217;s breastplate&#8230;</p>
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