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		By: Miss SYL		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9766&quot;&gt;Howard Loewen&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear brother- 

Here is a reference from the revealings of God, through his servant the prophet:

&quot;Satan will work his miracles to deceive; he will set up his power as supreme. The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out—the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths.... The remnant that purify their souls by obeying the truth gather strength from the trying process, exhibiting the beauty of holiness amid the surrounding apostasy.&quot;

44SDA Bible Commentary 7:911.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9766">Howard Loewen</a>.</p>
<p>Dear brother- </p>
<p>Here is a reference from the revealings of God, through his servant the prophet:</p>
<p>&#8220;Satan will work his miracles to deceive; he will set up his power as supreme. The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out—the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths&#8230;. The remnant that purify their souls by obeying the truth gather strength from the trying process, exhibiting the beauty of holiness amid the surrounding apostasy.&#8221;</p>
<p>44SDA Bible Commentary 7:911.</p>
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		By: George Ayiecha		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Ayiecha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 13:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[its time now to wake up don&#039;t depend on your pastor but God a lone live by the word of God as written in the bible 
forget about your so called pastors.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its time now to wake up don&#8217;t depend on your pastor but God a lone live by the word of God as written in the bible<br />
forget about your so called pastors.</p>
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		By: Jon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9766&quot;&gt;Howard Loewen&lt;/a&gt;.

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The church is not the organization
In Christ&#039;s time it was the Sanhedrin (general conference) that wanted to kill Jesus
Not the church
Because the church cannot crucify it&#039;s own head
The church that time was the body of believers who heard and accepted John the Baptists message and repented of their sins and were looking for the coming of the savior]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9766">Howard Loewen</a>.</p>
<p>👍<br />
The church is not the organization<br />
In Christ&#8217;s time it was the Sanhedrin (general conference) that wanted to kill Jesus<br />
Not the church<br />
Because the church cannot crucify it&#8217;s own head<br />
The church that time was the body of believers who heard and accepted John the Baptists message and repented of their sins and were looking for the coming of the savior</p>
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		By: Trevor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2022 08:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;He will take his Holy Spirit from the church and Give it to OTHERS who will appreciate it.&quot; E. G. White, (Review and Herald, Vol. 3,272). 

&quot;The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life, He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and sadly make of them all a reproach . God is not &#039;worshiped with men&#039;s hands, as though he needed anything (Acts 17:25).&quot; E.G. White, (The Upward Look, 131).

As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ&#039;s withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church; but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience. {DA 232.2}]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He will take his Holy Spirit from the church and Give it to OTHERS who will appreciate it.&#8221; E. G. White, (Review and Herald, Vol. 3,272). </p>
<p>&#8220;The Lord Jesus will always have a chosen people to serve Him. When the Jewish people rejected Christ, the Prince of life, He took from them the kingdom of God and gave it unto the Gentiles. God will continue to work on this principle with every branch of His work. When a church proves unfaithful to the work of the Lord, whatever their position may be, however high and sacred their calling, the Lord can no longer work with them. Others are then chosen to bear important responsibilities. But, if these in turn do not purify their lives from every wrong action, if they do not establish pure and holy principles in all their borders, then the Lord will grievously afflict and humble them and, unless they repent, will remove them from their place and sadly make of them all a reproach . God is not &#8216;worshiped with men&#8217;s hands, as though he needed anything (Acts 17:25).&#8221; E.G. White, (The Upward Look, 131).</p>
<p>As the light and life of men was rejected by the ecclesiastical authorities in the days of Christ, so it has been rejected in every succeeding generation. Again and again the history of Christ&#8217;s withdrawal from Judea has been repeated. When the Reformers preached the word of God, they had no thought of separating themselves from the established church; but the religious leaders would not tolerate the light, and those that bore it were forced to seek another class, who were longing for the truth. In our day few of the professed followers of the Reformers are actuated by their spirit. Few are listening for the voice of God, and ready to accept truth in whatever guise it may be presented. Often those who follow in the steps of the Reformers are forced to turn away from the churches they love, in order to declare the plain teaching of the word of God. And many times those who are seeking for light are by the same teaching obliged to leave the church of their fathers, that they may render obedience. {DA 232.2}</p>
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		By: Jan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2022 03:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9766&quot;&gt;Howard Loewen&lt;/a&gt;.

From the book &quot;Maranatha&quot;, 
&quot;Satan will work his miracles to deceive; he will set up his power as supreme. The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out—the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths.... The remnant that purify their souls by obeying the truth gather strength from the trying process, exhibiting the beauty of holiness amid the surrounding apostasy.&quot; 44SDA Bible Commentary 7:911.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9766">Howard Loewen</a>.</p>
<p>From the book &#8220;Maranatha&#8221;,<br />
&#8220;Satan will work his miracles to deceive; he will set up his power as supreme. The church may appear as about to fall, but it does not fall. It remains, while the sinners in Zion will be sifted out—the chaff separated from the precious wheat. This is a terrible ordeal, but nevertheless it must take place. None but those who have been overcoming by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony will be found with the loyal and true, without spot or stain of sin, without guile in their mouths&#8230;. The remnant that purify their souls by obeying the truth gather strength from the trying process, exhibiting the beauty of holiness amid the surrounding apostasy.&#8221; 44SDA Bible Commentary 7:911.</p>
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		By: Patrick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2022 19:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9766&quot;&gt;Howard Loewen&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The church has always consisted of FAITHFUL SOULS, no corporate 501-c3 organization. The church that does not fall must be only &quot;faithful souls&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9766">Howard Loewen</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The church has always consisted of FAITHFUL SOULS, no corporate 501-c3 organization. The church that does not fall must be only &#8220;faithful souls&#8221;</p>
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		By: Howard Loewen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard Loewen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2022 10:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9735&quot;&gt;Jim Harris&lt;/a&gt;.

The church that does not fall is the people who love God and keep His commandments. The SDA denomination will fall.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/sounding-the-trumpet-and-warning-adventists-against-the-ecumenical-tsunami/comment-page-1/#comment-9735">Jim Harris</a>.</p>
<p>The church that does not fall is the people who love God and keep His commandments. The SDA denomination will fall.</p>
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		By: Howard Loewen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Howard Loewen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2022 10:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Satan&#039;s snares ae verily laid for us as they were laid for the children of Israel just prior to their entrance into the land of Canaan. We are repeating the history of that people&quot; Healthful Living page 280 Section entitled &quot;Lessons from the Experience of the Children of Israel.


&quot;When Christ saw in the Jewish people a nation divorced from god, he saw also a professed Christian church united to the world and the papacy&quot; R&#038;H October 8, 1901 paragraph 15. Also in Kress Collection]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Satan&#8217;s snares ae verily laid for us as they were laid for the children of Israel just prior to their entrance into the land of Canaan. We are repeating the history of that people&#8221; Healthful Living page 280 Section entitled &#8220;Lessons from the Experience of the Children of Israel.</p>
<p>&#8220;When Christ saw in the Jewish people a nation divorced from god, he saw also a professed Christian church united to the world and the papacy&#8221; R&amp;H October 8, 1901 paragraph 15. Also in Kress Collection</p>
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		By: Jon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2022 10:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy.  - ST February 19, 1894


Now is the time for God’s people to show themselves true to principle. When the religion of Christ is most held in contempt, when his law is most despised, then should our zeal be the warmest and our courage the most unflinching. To stand in defense of truth and righteousness when the majority forsake us, to fight the battles of the Lord when champions are few,—this will be our test. At this time we must gather warmth from the coldness of others, courage from their cowardice, and loyalty from their treason. The nation will be on the side of the great rebel leader.  - RH January 11, 1887

After a long and severe conflict, the faithful few decided to dissolve all union with the apostate church if she still refused to free herself from falsehood and idolatry. They saw that separation was an absolute necessity if they would obey the Word of God. They dared not tolerate errors fatal to their own souls, and set an example which would imperil the faith of their children and children’s children. To secure peace and unity they were ready to make any concession consistent with fidelity to God; but they felt that even peace would be too dearly purchased at the sacrifice of principle. If unity could be secured only by the compromise of truth and righteousness, then let there be difference, and even war.  - GC88 45.2


The same mighty truths that were revealed through these men, God desires to reveal through the youth and the children of today. The history of Joseph and Daniel is an illustration of what He will do for those who yield themselves to Him and with the whole heart seek to accomplish His purpose.  - Ed 57.2

The greatest want of the world is the want of men—men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.  - Ed 57.3

But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature—the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man.  - Ed 57.4]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the Papacy.  &#8211; ST February 19, 1894</p>
<p>Now is the time for God’s people to show themselves true to principle. When the religion of Christ is most held in contempt, when his law is most despised, then should our zeal be the warmest and our courage the most unflinching. To stand in defense of truth and righteousness when the majority forsake us, to fight the battles of the Lord when champions are few,—this will be our test. At this time we must gather warmth from the coldness of others, courage from their cowardice, and loyalty from their treason. The nation will be on the side of the great rebel leader.  &#8211; RH January 11, 1887</p>
<p>After a long and severe conflict, the faithful few decided to dissolve all union with the apostate church if she still refused to free herself from falsehood and idolatry. They saw that separation was an absolute necessity if they would obey the Word of God. They dared not tolerate errors fatal to their own souls, and set an example which would imperil the faith of their children and children’s children. To secure peace and unity they were ready to make any concession consistent with fidelity to God; but they felt that even peace would be too dearly purchased at the sacrifice of principle. If unity could be secured only by the compromise of truth and righteousness, then let there be difference, and even war.  &#8211; GC88 45.2</p>
<p>The same mighty truths that were revealed through these men, God desires to reveal through the youth and the children of today. The history of Joseph and Daniel is an illustration of what He will do for those who yield themselves to Him and with the whole heart seek to accomplish His purpose.  &#8211; Ed 57.2</p>
<p>The greatest want of the world is the want of men—men who will not be bought or sold, men who in their inmost souls are true and honest, men who do not fear to call sin by its right name, men whose conscience is as true to duty as the needle to the pole, men who will stand for the right though the heavens fall.  &#8211; Ed 57.3</p>
<p>But such a character is not the result of accident; it is not due to special favors or endowments of Providence. A noble character is the result of self-discipline, of the subjection of the lower to the higher nature—the surrender of self for the service of love to God and man.  &#8211; Ed 57.4</p>
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