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		By: Tyse		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86183</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2025 08:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86104&quot;&gt;Graham Wheeler&lt;/a&gt;.

La GC aurait mieux fait de s&#039;abstenir de commentaires,car celà à été très préjudiciable à beaucoup de membres.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86104">Graham Wheeler</a>.</p>
<p>La GC aurait mieux fait de s&#8217;abstenir de commentaires,car celà à été très préjudiciable à beaucoup de membres.</p>
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		By: Tyse		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86182</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2025 08:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86044&quot;&gt;Carlos&lt;/a&gt;.

L&#039;homme a du mal à se repentir de ses erreurs,encore plus lorsque l&#039;argent domine ses décisions]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86044">Carlos</a>.</p>
<p>L&#8217;homme a du mal à se repentir de ses erreurs,encore plus lorsque l&#8217;argent domine ses décisions</p>
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		By: Tyse		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86181</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2025 08:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86019&quot;&gt;B&lt;/a&gt;.

Le statu quoi n&#039;est pas un langage chrétien. La parole dit: que ton uoi soit oui,que ton non soit non. Le chrétien prie,analyse, et prend position]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86019">B</a>.</p>
<p>Le statu quoi n&#8217;est pas un langage chrétien. La parole dit: que ton uoi soit oui,que ton non soit non. Le chrétien prie,analyse, et prend position</p>
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		By: Tyse		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86180</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2025 08:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-85964&quot;&gt;Amber Best&lt;/a&gt;.

En tant que délégué vous vous devez de efendre l&#039;avis de la majorité des membres, pas le votre. Vous aviez une mission à accomplir.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-85964">Amber Best</a>.</p>
<p>En tant que délégué vous vous devez de efendre l&#8217;avis de la majorité des membres, pas le votre. Vous aviez une mission à accomplir.</p>
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		By: Graham Wheeler		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 12:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It is interesting to note, that on day one, Wilson used a printed copy of the immunization statement to read from (VERSION 3) to press the delegates that the issue not be addressed.

You can hear it for yourself by going to the YouTube channel &quot;Amazing Worship TV&quot;, search for &quot;Day 1&quot;, and forward to the 2:57:00 time mark.

Then on Day 2 he quoted the &quot;currently posted&quot; statement (new VERSION 2), in contrast to the (old VERSION 1).

You can listen to this by going to the same YouTube Channel, search for &quot;Day 2&quot;, and forward to the 1:36:00 time mark.

What is interesting about these two snippets is that what Wilson read (VERSION 3), includes three elements &quot;The Bible&quot;, &quot;the SOP&quot;, and &quot;informed by&quot;.   However, these three elements do not appear together in the &quot;old&quot; statement (VERSON 1), or in the &quot;new&quot; statement (VERSION 2).

You can verify this for yourself.  There is a website which captures content at various dates from many websites.  Our Church website is one of them.

You can find the old-statement (Pre General Conference) by going to:
(1) Wayback.archive.org
(2) In the dialogue box enter the website: &quot;gc.adventist.org/official-statements/immunization&quot;
(3) A calendar grid appears with little &quot;dots&quot; representing when a capture of the website was made. 
(4) Select the entry in April-15-2025 to see the old statement.
(5) Click on the time that appears in the drop-down-window.
(6) Do steps 1-3 and select July 4-2025 (and a time) for the current &quot;in Session&quot; statement (or just go to the website for the current),

Here is the Old statement (VERSION 1) from (5) above:

&quot;The Seventh-day Adventist Church places strong emphasis on health and well-being. The Adventist health emphasis is based on biblical revelation, the inspired writing of E.G. White (co-founder of the Church), and on peer-reviewed scientific literature. As such, we encourage responsible immunization/vaccination, and have no religious or faith-based reason not to encourage our adherents to responsibly participate in protective and preventive immunization programs. We value the health and safety of the population, which includes the maintenance of “herd immunity.”

We are not the conscience of the individual church member, and recognize individual choices. These are exercised by the individual. The choice not to be immunized is not and should not be seen as the dogma nor the doctrine of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

This statement was voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Administrative Committee in Silver Spring, Maryland, April 15, 2015.&quot;

And here is the&quot;NEW&quot;  July 4-2025 Statement (VERSION 2) [From (6) above]:
&quot;The Seventh-day Adventist Church places strong emphasis on health and well-being. The Adventist health emphasis is based on the Bible, the inspired writings of Church co-founder Ellen G White, and is informed by peer-reviewed scientific health literature. As such, we encourage responsible immunization/vaccination, and have no religious or faith-based reason not to encourage our adherents to responsibly participate in protective and preventive immunization programs. We value the health and safety of the population, which includes the maintenance of what is known as “herd immunity.”

We are not the conscience of the individual church member, and we recognize individual choices. These choices are exercised by the individual. Refusal of immunization is not and should not be seen as a teaching nor a doctrine of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

This statement was voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Administrative Committee in Silver Spring, Maryland, April 15, 2015.&quot;.

You can compare these statements automatically using an online tool by visiting text-compare.com, where you can paste both versions.
You can clearly see that the &quot;three things&quot; quoted on day one, do not appear together in either statement.

This clearly demonstrates that there is currently no meaningful oversight to what has appeared in the gc.adventist.org/official-statements section of the website.  

This section of the website should be in another portion of the website and labeled: &quot;Recommended for adoption at the next General Conference Session&quot;.  Where a fulsome review may be conducted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is interesting to note, that on day one, Wilson used a printed copy of the immunization statement to read from (VERSION 3) to press the delegates that the issue not be addressed.</p>
<p>You can hear it for yourself by going to the YouTube channel &#8220;Amazing Worship TV&#8221;, search for &#8220;Day 1&#8221;, and forward to the 2:57:00 time mark.</p>
<p>Then on Day 2 he quoted the &#8220;currently posted&#8221; statement (new VERSION 2), in contrast to the (old VERSION 1).</p>
<p>You can listen to this by going to the same YouTube Channel, search for &#8220;Day 2&#8221;, and forward to the 1:36:00 time mark.</p>
<p>What is interesting about these two snippets is that what Wilson read (VERSION 3), includes three elements &#8220;The Bible&#8221;, &#8220;the SOP&#8221;, and &#8220;informed by&#8221;.   However, these three elements do not appear together in the &#8220;old&#8221; statement (VERSON 1), or in the &#8220;new&#8221; statement (VERSION 2).</p>
<p>You can verify this for yourself.  There is a website which captures content at various dates from many websites.  Our Church website is one of them.</p>
<p>You can find the old-statement (Pre General Conference) by going to:<br />
(1) Wayback.archive.org<br />
(2) In the dialogue box enter the website: &#8220;gc.adventist.org/official-statements/immunization&#8221;<br />
(3) A calendar grid appears with little &#8220;dots&#8221; representing when a capture of the website was made.<br />
(4) Select the entry in April-15-2025 to see the old statement.<br />
(5) Click on the time that appears in the drop-down-window.<br />
(6) Do steps 1-3 and select July 4-2025 (and a time) for the current &#8220;in Session&#8221; statement (or just go to the website for the current),</p>
<p>Here is the Old statement (VERSION 1) from (5) above:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Seventh-day Adventist Church places strong emphasis on health and well-being. The Adventist health emphasis is based on biblical revelation, the inspired writing of E.G. White (co-founder of the Church), and on peer-reviewed scientific literature. As such, we encourage responsible immunization/vaccination, and have no religious or faith-based reason not to encourage our adherents to responsibly participate in protective and preventive immunization programs. We value the health and safety of the population, which includes the maintenance of “herd immunity.”</p>
<p>We are not the conscience of the individual church member, and recognize individual choices. These are exercised by the individual. The choice not to be immunized is not and should not be seen as the dogma nor the doctrine of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.</p>
<p>This statement was voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Administrative Committee in Silver Spring, Maryland, April 15, 2015.&#8221;</p>
<p>And here is the&#8221;NEW&#8221;  July 4-2025 Statement (VERSION 2) [From (6) above]:<br />
&#8220;The Seventh-day Adventist Church places strong emphasis on health and well-being. The Adventist health emphasis is based on the Bible, the inspired writings of Church co-founder Ellen G White, and is informed by peer-reviewed scientific health literature. As such, we encourage responsible immunization/vaccination, and have no religious or faith-based reason not to encourage our adherents to responsibly participate in protective and preventive immunization programs. We value the health and safety of the population, which includes the maintenance of what is known as “herd immunity.”</p>
<p>We are not the conscience of the individual church member, and we recognize individual choices. These choices are exercised by the individual. Refusal of immunization is not and should not be seen as a teaching nor a doctrine of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.</p>
<p>This statement was voted by the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists Administrative Committee in Silver Spring, Maryland, April 15, 2015.&#8221;.</p>
<p>You can compare these statements automatically using an online tool by visiting text-compare.com, where you can paste both versions.<br />
You can clearly see that the &#8220;three things&#8221; quoted on day one, do not appear together in either statement.</p>
<p>This clearly demonstrates that there is currently no meaningful oversight to what has appeared in the gc.adventist.org/official-statements section of the website.  </p>
<p>This section of the website should be in another portion of the website and labeled: &#8220;Recommended for adoption at the next General Conference Session&#8221;.  Where a fulsome review may be conducted.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2025 05:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry for so many repeat post the program kept bumping me out... but then it came across multiple  times. Apologies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for so many repeat post the program kept bumping me out&#8230; but then it came across multiple  times. Apologies.</p>
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		By: Carlos		</title>
		<link>https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-86044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carlos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 17:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pergunta: Alguma autoridade médica defendeu a posição de Ted Wilson na CG? Pastores não tem autoridade para decidir sobre esse tema de saúde e vacinas. obrigatórias! Mas se eles não tem autoridade para isso, como pode, em alguns setores da obra, se tornar obrigatória a terapia? A ordem veio do governo americano, com certeza!

Mas o que estraga um pouco, são alguns extremistas que falam bobagens, então são citados justamente esses poucos extremistas e não se toca no assunto sério que são as outras fontes de pesquisas cientificas recentes que revelam os perigos da terapia genetica!

A maior parte da igreja ainda não entendeu o que foi a PANDEMIA! Nesse sentido, dá um pouco de vergonha porque revela uma mentalidade restrita! Pensar fora da caixinha é quase proibido! Se você é contra a mRNA, então você é rotulado como um cristão ignorante ou antivacina!

E se comparamos o que outras autoridades médicas inteligentes apresentam e o que os alguns dirigentes afirmam... Isto é assustador!

Não seria mais simples de resolver? Bastava colocar uma autoridade médica da IASD se posicionando e se RESPONSABILIZANDO por qualquer dano das mRNA.

# Google translator:

Question: Did any medical authority defend Ted Wilson&#039;s position at the GC? Pastors do not have the authority to decide on this issue of health and mandatory vaccines! But if they do not have the authority to do so, how can therapy become mandatory in some sectors of the work? The order came from the American government, for sure!

But what spoils things a bit are some extremists who talk nonsense, so these few extremists are cited and the serious issue of other sources of recent scientific research that reveal the dangers of gene therapy is not addressed!

Most of the church still does not understand what the PANDEMIC was! In this sense, it is a bit embarrassing because it reveals a restricted mentality! Thinking outside the box is almost forbidden! If you are against mRNA, then you are labeled as an ignorant or anti-vaccine Christian!

And if we compare what other intelligent medical authorities present and what some leaders say... This is scary!

Wouldn&#039;t it be simpler to resolve? All that was needed was for an SDA medical authority to take a stand and take RESPONSIBILITY for any damage caused by mRNA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pergunta: Alguma autoridade médica defendeu a posição de Ted Wilson na CG? Pastores não tem autoridade para decidir sobre esse tema de saúde e vacinas. obrigatórias! Mas se eles não tem autoridade para isso, como pode, em alguns setores da obra, se tornar obrigatória a terapia? A ordem veio do governo americano, com certeza!</p>
<p>Mas o que estraga um pouco, são alguns extremistas que falam bobagens, então são citados justamente esses poucos extremistas e não se toca no assunto sério que são as outras fontes de pesquisas cientificas recentes que revelam os perigos da terapia genetica!</p>
<p>A maior parte da igreja ainda não entendeu o que foi a PANDEMIA! Nesse sentido, dá um pouco de vergonha porque revela uma mentalidade restrita! Pensar fora da caixinha é quase proibido! Se você é contra a mRNA, então você é rotulado como um cristão ignorante ou antivacina!</p>
<p>E se comparamos o que outras autoridades médicas inteligentes apresentam e o que os alguns dirigentes afirmam&#8230; Isto é assustador!</p>
<p>Não seria mais simples de resolver? Bastava colocar uma autoridade médica da IASD se posicionando e se RESPONSABILIZANDO por qualquer dano das mRNA.</p>
<p># Google translator:</p>
<p>Question: Did any medical authority defend Ted Wilson&#8217;s position at the GC? Pastors do not have the authority to decide on this issue of health and mandatory vaccines! But if they do not have the authority to do so, how can therapy become mandatory in some sectors of the work? The order came from the American government, for sure!</p>
<p>But what spoils things a bit are some extremists who talk nonsense, so these few extremists are cited and the serious issue of other sources of recent scientific research that reveal the dangers of gene therapy is not addressed!</p>
<p>Most of the church still does not understand what the PANDEMIC was! In this sense, it is a bit embarrassing because it reveals a restricted mentality! Thinking outside the box is almost forbidden! If you are against mRNA, then you are labeled as an ignorant or anti-vaccine Christian!</p>
<p>And if we compare what other intelligent medical authorities present and what some leaders say&#8230; This is scary!</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be simpler to resolve? All that was needed was for an SDA medical authority to take a stand and take RESPONSIBILITY for any damage caused by mRNA.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 05:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Amen, yes read it myself, amen amen.
People should tread lightly trying to keep a calm status quo, when God Himself is allowing agitation ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, yes read it myself, amen amen.<br />
People should tread lightly trying to keep a calm status quo, when God Himself is allowing agitation &#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2025 05:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-85939&quot;&gt;Mg&lt;/a&gt;.

AMEN, SPOT ON...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/ted-wilson-hijacks-the-debate-again-silencing-motions-to-address-the-churchs-covid-era-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-85939">Mg</a>.</p>
<p>AMEN, SPOT ON&#8230;</p>
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