Comments on: The Signs of the Times Magazine Advocates the Jesuit Futurism Theory, the Idea that the Antichrist Will Arise at Some Point in the Future after the Sealing Work has been Completed https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/ News and commentary from a Biblical world view on current events, top stories, social trends and political and religious events. Sat, 13 May 2023 19:59:21 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Jerry O'Donnell, Four Angels' Messages https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/comment-page-1/#comment-36826 Sat, 13 May 2023 19:59:21 +0000 https://adventmessenger.org/?p=18087#comment-36826 EGW: I saw angels hurrying to and fro in heaven. An angel with a writer’s inkhorn by his side returned from the earth and reported to Jesus that his work was done, and the saints were numbered and sealed. Then I saw Jesus, who had been ministering before the ark containing the ten commandments, throw down the censer. He raised His hands, and with a loud voice said, “It is done.” And all the angelic host laid off their crowns as Jesus made the solemn declaration, “He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.” {EW 279.2}

Comment: The article is Jesuit propaganda that Evangelicals have promulgated into other denominations. Ellen White states that once the last person is sealed, all cases are locked in. There will be no multitude to witness to, even to try and save. It will be the seven last plagues followed by the second coming.

]]> By: Jim https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/comment-page-1/#comment-36820 Sat, 13 May 2023 16:23:10 +0000 https://adventmessenger.org/?p=18087#comment-36820 To be fair to the writer he left at the end of his article a webpage if one would like to learn more.
Going to the webpage you will note that the presentations do become far more exacting on pinpointing the identity of the dragon, the beast, the two horned beast etc.
Not sure why it was not made more clear in the article.

]]> By: dc https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/comment-page-1/#comment-36596 Sat, 06 May 2023 14:49:36 +0000 https://adventmessenger.org/?p=18087#comment-36596 Revelation 5 is placed in the year 31 by Uriah Smith, in the ascension of Christ. That´s not an inspired book, i know. But it is confirmed by the Bible and the SOP. Here are some arguments:
The description of the Desire of Ages of the ascension is quite similar to Revelation 4 and 5. “Who is worthy?” is very similar to the description of the Desire when Christ stop the worship of the heaven hosts until his sacrifice become accepted by the Father. Read it by yourself. The Desire of Ages is very descriptive:
“There is the throne, and around it the rainbow of promise. There are cherubim and seraphim. The commanders of the angel hosts, the sons of God, the representatives of the unfallen worlds, are assembled. The heavenly council before which Lucifer had accused God and His Son, the representatives of those sinless realms over which Satan had thought to establish his dominion,—all are there to welcome the Redeemer. They are eager to celebrate His triumph and to glorify their King. { DA 832
The Book or the Books?
Revelation 5 talks about a misterious book, sealed, that “no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon”. Rev 5.3. The spirit of prophecy reveals the content of this book:
“here in His open hand lay the book, the roll of the history of God’s providences, the prophetic history of nations and the church. Herein was contained the divine utterances, His authority, His commandments, His laws, the whole symbolic counsel of the Eternal, and the history of all ruling powers in the nations. In symbolic language was contained in that roll the influence of every nation, tongue, and people from the beginning of earth’s history to its close. { 9MR 7.2
But, when you read Daniel 7, it talks about “books”, not one, several. And in that open books -not is mentioned any difficultie to open or read them by the judgment- the spirit of prophecy says:
” the only cases considered are those of the professed people of God. The judgment of the wicked is a distinct and separate work, and takes place at a later period”.GC480
That is quite different from the content in the sealed book!
You can also read, in the same GC chapter that the angels always had access to the judgment books for record human lifes purposes:
“Sins that have not been repented of and forsaken will not be pardoned and blotted out of the books of record, but will stand to witness against the sinner in the day of God. He may have committed his evil deeds in the light of day or in the darkness of night; but they were open and manifest before Him with whom we have to do. Angels of God witnessed each sin and registered it in the unerring records”. GC 486
There are several, yes several more hints and evidence that Revelation 5 is NOT 1844. The plain quote says this:
“As in vision the apostle John was granted a view of the temple of God in heaven, he beheld there “seven lamps of fire burning before the throne.” He saw an angel “having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.” Revelation 4:5; 8:3. Here the prophet was permitted to behold the first apartment of the sanctuary in heaven; and he saw there the “seven lamps of fire” and the “golden altar” represented by the golden candlestick and the altar of incense in the sanctuary on earth”.
That is another strong evidence, pointing clearly Revelation 4 to the Holy place, and it related historic time, of course.
Another SOP statement related to REvelation 5 is the following:
This roll was written within and without. John says: “I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon” [verse 4]. The vision as presented to John made its impression upon his mind. The destiny of every nation was contained in that book. John was distressed at the utter inability of any human being or angelic
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intelligence to read the words, or even to look thereon. His soul was wrought up to such a point of agony and suspense that one of the strong angels had compassion on him, and laying his hand on him assuringly, said, “Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof” [verse 5]. { 12MR 296.4 }
John continues: [verses 6, 7, quoted]. As the book was unrolled, all who looked upon it were filled with awe. There were no blanks in the book. There was space for no more writing. [Revelation 5:8-14; 6:8-11; Revelation 8:1-4, quoted.] { 12MR 297.1 }
Again, a book that has records of NATIONS, not only the individuals for judgment, and notably “WAS SPACE FOR NO MORE WRITING”!!. Clearly, this is not the heavenly records.
So… if you place, as the SOP points, Rev 5 in the ascension of Christ, you can see how the seals are parallels to churches and trumpets, as the adventism historicism has always said. This is similar to the recapitulation system used in Daniel.
But, if you place Revelation 5 in 1844, you are following the futurism paradigma, and open the door for place the seals in the future, as well the trumpets.
There are many other evidences, but this ones are the clearer, in my humble opinion.

]]> By: Robert King https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/comment-page-1/#comment-36594 Sat, 06 May 2023 14:12:56 +0000 https://adventmessenger.org/?p=18087#comment-36594 Its the second to last paragraph in the article that is the ominous one. The article has naturally some well founded and sensible reasoning to it about the dangers of offshoots. There is also a seed of abuse there in it when God does raise up a offshoot of the 144000 that they will be seen has the coming of the branch Davidians. The writing is on the wall. It is just a matter of time before more than just a few now will interpret correctly that we are on the cusp of the final event.

]]> By: Robert King https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/comment-page-1/#comment-36592 Sat, 06 May 2023 14:06:09 +0000 https://adventmessenger.org/?p=18087#comment-36592 The seeds have been sown and are bearing their wicked fruit. Guaine Diop has a article in the latest issue of Advent Journey to the Lake of fire. it is chilling article how he uses WACO tradegy to view a narrative that will be used for the justification of ostgarazing brethren that will at the end come with a message that will be seen as Dangerous. Diop lays the groundwork here at the end he brings it together that the structures of the GC are our protection. It is not the Word and the prophet counsel to us through EGW but the church. What does this sound like ??

]]> By: Mickey https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/comment-page-1/#comment-36558 Fri, 05 May 2023 18:30:10 +0000 https://adventmessenger.org/?p=18087#comment-36558 “And if it were possible, the very elect will be deceived.”

These words are coming alive in a manner over the last 60 years I NEVER would have imagined or guessed.

May all Father’s truly elect be given wisdom, discernment and perseverance in their walk with Him.

]]> By: James https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/comment-page-1/#comment-36547 Fri, 05 May 2023 09:18:21 +0000 https://adventmessenger.org/?p=18087#comment-36547 Wow, how far has the “church” of God fallen.

Thank you Andy for opening eyes.

]]> By: Andy Roman https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/comment-page-1/#comment-36536 Thu, 04 May 2023 23:17:24 +0000 https://adventmessenger.org/?p=18087#comment-36536 In reply to YesMsJane.

Ted Wilson would have to “Hold the Line” in order to correct this serious error. That may be asking too much.

]]> By: YesMsJane https://adventmessenger.org/the-signs-of-the-times-magazine-advocates-the-jesuit-futurism-theory-the-idea-that-the-antichrist-will-arise-at-some-point-in-the-future-after-the-sealing-work-has-been-completed/comment-page-1/#comment-36533 Thu, 04 May 2023 21:16:28 +0000 https://adventmessenger.org/?p=18087#comment-36533 Would love to hear Elder Wilson Rebuke this article from “Signs of the Times”

(Would be incredibly surprised if he did though)

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