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	Comments on: Vice President JD Vance Publicly Rejects the Separation of Church and State During a Turning Point USA Event	</title>
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		By: Tom Magnusson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Magnusson]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Any politician or group—including J.D. Vance and Turning Point USA—that claims states can create their own official religion, apart from the Fourteenth Amendment, is not only mistaken about the Constitution but also pushing a dangerous idea. This belief threatens one of America’s most important freedoms: the separation of church and state&quot;

Interesting how one of America&#039;s most important freedoms did not exist between 1776 and 1868. For 92 years, the Mark of the Beast was not established despite the absence of this amendment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Any politician or group—including J.D. Vance and Turning Point USA—that claims states can create their own official religion, apart from the Fourteenth Amendment, is not only mistaken about the Constitution but also pushing a dangerous idea. This belief threatens one of America’s most important freedoms: the separation of church and state&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting how one of America&#8217;s most important freedoms did not exist between 1776 and 1868. For 92 years, the Mark of the Beast was not established despite the absence of this amendment.</p>
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		By: CV		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CV]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2025 05:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The title of this article is kind of confusing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of this article is kind of confusing.</p>
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		By: Mg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2025 16:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This argument that is being used by many, to unite church and state is deceptive. Circular reasoning is being used. How?

• For the same points you made above about leaving out important history.

• The history of why many people fled Europe and came to the American is perhaps most important in this argument, which is also left out of this argument. Millions fled seeking a land of freedom from terrible religous persecution and Monarchies that ruled in the dark ages; they fled from a power of church and state united, where kings did the bidding of the church to destroy those who refuse to surrender conscience. But now they are seeking to do the same that caused the world&#039;s worst persecutions and death to force the conscience, while they making it appear as if it&#039;s for the benefit for U. S. citizens.

• Just because there is no exact phrase of &quot;separation of church and state” is not a good argument. It is the principle that matters! And these principles similar to how God&#039;s Law is designed, is to prevent the worst kind of slavery, persecution, and forcing people to trample upon God&#039;s Holy Moral Law.
Look at what Jesus said in the Scriptures:

“27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. ” Matthew 5:27-28 KJV

We see that the one of the 10 Commandments - God&#039;s Holy Moral Law says &quot;thou shalt not commit adultery&quot;. However, Jesus was teaching us that there are many ways we can commit adultery, or that we should shun or abstain from the things that lead to commiting adultery and breaking His Holy Moral Law.

So God&#039;s Holy Moral Law are 10 Principles, where all type of sins can be applied to each one.

This is why the entire Scriptures are an extension of the 10 Commandments - God&#039;s Holy Moral Law. This is why Christ Jesus came to fulfill the Law not abolish it; He came to teach and show all of us, setting the example of how to keep God&#039;s Law. For example, the process of commiting sin begins in the mind, that if we dwell on temptations or evil thoughts log enough, we will eventually act them out or commit them.

So when we say and believe that church and state should be separate, this is the essence and Principle of the Constitution. This was the purpose, because of previous evils that make up the dark ages. It is to prevent such a thing to ever happen again. This argument is so serious that ignoring history is deadly.

&quot;In that grand old document which our forefathers set forth as their bill of rights—the Declaration of Independence—they declared: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” And the Constitution guarantees, in the most explicit terms, the inviolability of conscience: “No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
“The framers of the Constitution recognized the eternal principle that man’s relation with his God is above human legislation, and his rights of conscience inalienable. Reasoning was not necessary to establish this truth; we are conscious of it in our own bosoms. It is this consciousness which, in defiance of human laws, has sustained so many martyrs in tortures and flames. They felt that their duty to God was superior to human enactments, and that man could exercise  no authority over their consciences. It is an inborn principle which nothing can eradicate.”—Congressional documents (U.S.A.), serial No. 200, document No. 271.
As the tidings spread through the countries of Europe, of a land where every man might enjoy the fruit of his own labor and obey the convictions of his own conscience, thousands flocked to the shores of the New World. Colonies rapidly multiplied. “ Ellen G. White &#039;Great Controversy&#039; pages 295.1 - GC 296.1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This argument that is being used by many, to unite church and state is deceptive. Circular reasoning is being used. How?</p>
<p>• For the same points you made above about leaving out important history.</p>
<p>• The history of why many people fled Europe and came to the American is perhaps most important in this argument, which is also left out of this argument. Millions fled seeking a land of freedom from terrible religous persecution and Monarchies that ruled in the dark ages; they fled from a power of church and state united, where kings did the bidding of the church to destroy those who refuse to surrender conscience. But now they are seeking to do the same that caused the world&#8217;s worst persecutions and death to force the conscience, while they making it appear as if it&#8217;s for the benefit for U. S. citizens.</p>
<p>• Just because there is no exact phrase of &#8220;separation of church and state” is not a good argument. It is the principle that matters! And these principles similar to how God&#8217;s Law is designed, is to prevent the worst kind of slavery, persecution, and forcing people to trample upon God&#8217;s Holy Moral Law.<br />
Look at what Jesus said in the Scriptures:</p>
<p>“27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:<br />
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. ” Matthew 5:27-28 KJV</p>
<p>We see that the one of the 10 Commandments &#8211; God&#8217;s Holy Moral Law says &#8220;thou shalt not commit adultery&#8221;. However, Jesus was teaching us that there are many ways we can commit adultery, or that we should shun or abstain from the things that lead to commiting adultery and breaking His Holy Moral Law.</p>
<p>So God&#8217;s Holy Moral Law are 10 Principles, where all type of sins can be applied to each one.</p>
<p>This is why the entire Scriptures are an extension of the 10 Commandments &#8211; God&#8217;s Holy Moral Law. This is why Christ Jesus came to fulfill the Law not abolish it; He came to teach and show all of us, setting the example of how to keep God&#8217;s Law. For example, the process of commiting sin begins in the mind, that if we dwell on temptations or evil thoughts log enough, we will eventually act them out or commit them.</p>
<p>So when we say and believe that church and state should be separate, this is the essence and Principle of the Constitution. This was the purpose, because of previous evils that make up the dark ages. It is to prevent such a thing to ever happen again. This argument is so serious that ignoring history is deadly.</p>
<p>&#8220;In that grand old document which our forefathers set forth as their bill of rights—the Declaration of Independence—they declared: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” And the Constitution guarantees, in the most explicit terms, the inviolability of conscience: “No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”<br />
“The framers of the Constitution recognized the eternal principle that man’s relation with his God is above human legislation, and his rights of conscience inalienable. Reasoning was not necessary to establish this truth; we are conscious of it in our own bosoms. It is this consciousness which, in defiance of human laws, has sustained so many martyrs in tortures and flames. They felt that their duty to God was superior to human enactments, and that man could exercise  no authority over their consciences. It is an inborn principle which nothing can eradicate.”—Congressional documents (U.S.A.), serial No. 200, document No. 271.<br />
As the tidings spread through the countries of Europe, of a land where every man might enjoy the fruit of his own labor and obey the convictions of his own conscience, thousands flocked to the shores of the New World. Colonies rapidly multiplied. “ Ellen G. White &#8216;Great Controversy&#8217; pages 295.1 &#8211; GC 296.1</p>
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		By: Garry Holder		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Garry Holder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2025 16:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem to day is People are dumbed down to what &quot;iniquitous connection&quot; means in the Great Controversy. As it is today, the Image of the Beast is fully matured, and every denomination in the US INC is incorporated under the STATE, obeying the requirements, and Mandates of the STATE. There is no such thing as separation of CHURCH and STATE today. They are all combined together commercially, and incorporated. See Blacks Law Dictionary, and Hale v. Henkel, 20 US 43. This unity of CHURCH and STATE fulfills Ezekiel 28: 5, 16; Revelation 17 and chapter 18.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem to day is People are dumbed down to what &#8220;iniquitous connection&#8221; means in the Great Controversy. As it is today, the Image of the Beast is fully matured, and every denomination in the US INC is incorporated under the STATE, obeying the requirements, and Mandates of the STATE. There is no such thing as separation of CHURCH and STATE today. They are all combined together commercially, and incorporated. See Blacks Law Dictionary, and Hale v. Henkel, 20 US 43. This unity of CHURCH and STATE fulfills Ezekiel 28: 5, 16; Revelation 17 and chapter 18.</p>
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		By: Israel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2025 10:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They interpret the Constitution as they please. I assume they will use this 13th amendment as a punishment for every criminals, just to get free workers. As EGW said slavery will return to USA, especially to the southern states.

&quot;13th Amendment
Section 1
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They interpret the Constitution as they please. I assume they will use this 13th amendment as a punishment for every criminals, just to get free workers. As EGW said slavery will return to USA, especially to the southern states.</p>
<p>&#8220;13th Amendment<br />
Section 1<br />
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.&#8221;</p>
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