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		By: Zerubbabel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2021 12:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8863&quot;&gt;Bruce Sillence&lt;/a&gt;.

11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.  Revelation 1

These were literal seven churches given names based on their location.  Names are not so much important but it is the principles and practices of the church that count.

Just because my first name is not found in the Bible, does that make me less of a Christian? Or it is how I live my life and honour God that counts? Some of these arguments are surprisingly immaterial.

The woman is the symbol of church but not all women are defiled in Bible as you probably know - there is indeed a pure woman. Why do you leave her out in your interpretation?

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:  Revelation 12]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8863">Bruce Sillence</a>.</p>
<p>11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.  Revelation 1</p>
<p>These were literal seven churches given names based on their location.  Names are not so much important but it is the principles and practices of the church that count.</p>
<p>Just because my first name is not found in the Bible, does that make me less of a Christian? Or it is how I live my life and honour God that counts? Some of these arguments are surprisingly immaterial.</p>
<p>The woman is the symbol of church but not all women are defiled in Bible as you probably know &#8211; there is indeed a pure woman. Why do you leave her out in your interpretation?</p>
<p>1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:  Revelation 12</p>
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		By: Zerubbabel		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2021 11:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8770&quot;&gt;Bruce Sillence&lt;/a&gt;.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Revelation 17

The ten horns are kings, which is a symbol of political power in the Bible not church power.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8770">Bruce Sillence</a>.</p>
<p>12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Revelation 17</p>
<p>The ten horns are kings, which is a symbol of political power in the Bible not church power.</p>
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		By: Bruce Sillence		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Sillence]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2021 07:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8613&quot;&gt;Marja&lt;/a&gt;.

AFTER READING MY BIBLE I CANNOT FIND ANYWHERE A STATEMENT THAT ENDORSES SUCH TITLES SUCH AS A S.D.A. CHRISTIAN, OR A BAPTIST CHRISTIAN ETC. COULD YOU PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME WHERE THERE IS SUCH A VERSE OF SCRIPTURE THAT JESUS SAID HE WOULD START A THING CALL A CHURCH DENOMINATION?
Of Christ true Church or called out ones, God never said, “Go ye into all the world, and bring them into the Church”, did He? This is not The Great Commission, is it?  Rather, God said, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature” (Mark. 16:15)
For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brothers, by those of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 
1Co 1:12  But I say this, that every one of you says, I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ. 
1Co 1:13  Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you, or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 
THIS IS THE ONLY GROUP OF PEOPLE I CAN FIND THAT IN THESE FINAL DAYS THE BIBLE SPEAKS ABOUT.
And I looked, and lo, the Lamb stood on Mount Zion. And with Him were a hundred and forty-four thousands, having His Father&#039;s name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:4  These are those who were not defiled with women; [CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS] for they are virgins. These are those who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, as a firstfruit to God and to the Lamb. 
Rev 14:5  And in their mouth was found no guile, for they were without blemish before the throne of God.
 
Mat 16:16  And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. 
Mat 16:17  Jesus answered and said to him, You are blessed, Simon, son of Jonah, for flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father in Heaven. 
Mat 16:18  And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock [CONFESSION] I will build My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8613">Marja</a>.</p>
<p>AFTER READING MY BIBLE I CANNOT FIND ANYWHERE A STATEMENT THAT ENDORSES SUCH TITLES SUCH AS A S.D.A. CHRISTIAN, OR A BAPTIST CHRISTIAN ETC. COULD YOU PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME WHERE THERE IS SUCH A VERSE OF SCRIPTURE THAT JESUS SAID HE WOULD START A THING CALL A CHURCH DENOMINATION?<br />
Of Christ true Church or called out ones, God never said, “Go ye into all the world, and bring them into the Church”, did He? This is not The Great Commission, is it?  Rather, God said, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature” (Mark. 16:15)<br />
For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brothers, by those of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. <br />
1Co 1:12  But I say this, that every one of you says, I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ. <br />
1Co 1:13  Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you, or were you baptized in the name of Paul? <br />
THIS IS THE ONLY GROUP OF PEOPLE I CAN FIND THAT IN THESE FINAL DAYS THE BIBLE SPEAKS ABOUT.<br />
And I looked, and lo, the Lamb stood on Mount Zion. And with Him were a hundred and forty-four thousands, having His Father&#8217;s name written in their foreheads. Rev 14:4  These are those who were not defiled with women; [CHURCH ORGANIZATIONS] for they are virgins. These are those who follow the Lamb wherever He goes. These were redeemed from among men, as a firstfruit to God and to the Lamb. <br />
Rev 14:5  And in their mouth was found no guile, for they were without blemish before the throne of God.<br />
 <br />
Mat 16:16  And Simon Peter answered and said, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. <br />
Mat 16:17  Jesus answered and said to him, You are blessed, Simon, son of Jonah, for flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but My Father in Heaven. <br />
Mat 16:18  And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock [CONFESSION] I will build My church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. </p>
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		By: Bruce Sillence		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8641&quot;&gt;Andy Roman&lt;/a&gt;.

COULD WE SAY THAT WE MAY BOTH BE RIGHT BROTHER IN THAT YES AS YOU SAY quote&quot; The apostate leaders who sided with Rome and said “We have not king but Caesar” did not get any love from Rome. In the end they were destroyed by Rome in 70AD,&quot; 
HOWEVER THEY DID ENJOY FOR A TIME THE PROTECTION OF THE ROMAN STATE AND THEY MADE LIFE VERY HARD FOR THE EARLY CHRISTIANS USING THE ROMAN STATE TO TRY AND DESTROY THEM BY ACCUSING THEM TO BE ENEMIES OF ROME BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT GOD ALONE WAS SUPREME AND JESUS WAS LORD. Our friends, the same things happened to you that happened to the churches of God in Judea, to the people there who belong to Christ Jesus. You suffered the same persecutions from your own people that they suffered from the Jews, 
1Th 2:15  who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and persecuted us. How displeasing they are to God! How hostile they are to everyone! 
1Th 2:16  They even tried to stop us from preaching to the Gentiles the message that would bring them salvation. In this way they have brought to completion all the sins they have always committed. And now God&#039;s anger has at last come down on them! THIS BEING SO I BELIEVE ALL THE CURRENT CHURCH LEADERS WILL GO ALONG WITH ALL THESE LAWS NOW AND THE ONES THAT ARE COMING AND BE OUR WORST ENEMIES TO GAIN FAVOR WITH THE STATE, SO FOR A TIME THEY WILL BE ONE WITH THESE EVIL MEN UNTIL THEY TURN ON THEM ALSO AS STATED. The angel also said to me, &quot;The waters you saw, on which the prostitute sits, are nations, peoples, races, and languages. 
Rev 17:16  The ten horns you saw and the beast will hate the prostitute; [THESE APOSTATE CHURCH LEADERS] they will take away everything she has and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and destroy her with fire. 
Rev 17:17  For God has placed in their hearts the will to carry out his purpose by acting together and giving to the beast their power to rule until God&#039;s words come true. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8641">Andy Roman</a>.</p>
<p>COULD WE SAY THAT WE MAY BOTH BE RIGHT BROTHER IN THAT YES AS YOU SAY quote&#8221; The apostate leaders who sided with Rome and said “We have not king but Caesar” did not get any love from Rome. In the end they were destroyed by Rome in 70AD,&#8221;<br />
HOWEVER THEY DID ENJOY FOR A TIME THE PROTECTION OF THE ROMAN STATE AND THEY MADE LIFE VERY HARD FOR THE EARLY CHRISTIANS USING THE ROMAN STATE TO TRY AND DESTROY THEM BY ACCUSING THEM TO BE ENEMIES OF ROME BECAUSE THEY BELIEVED THAT GOD ALONE WAS SUPREME AND JESUS WAS LORD. Our friends, the same things happened to you that happened to the churches of God in Judea, to the people there who belong to Christ Jesus. You suffered the same persecutions from your own people that they suffered from the Jews, <br />
1Th 2:15  who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and persecuted us. How displeasing they are to God! How hostile they are to everyone! <br />
1Th 2:16  They even tried to stop us from preaching to the Gentiles the message that would bring them salvation. In this way they have brought to completion all the sins they have always committed. And now God&#8217;s anger has at last come down on them! THIS BEING SO I BELIEVE ALL THE CURRENT CHURCH LEADERS WILL GO ALONG WITH ALL THESE LAWS NOW AND THE ONES THAT ARE COMING AND BE OUR WORST ENEMIES TO GAIN FAVOR WITH THE STATE, SO FOR A TIME THEY WILL BE ONE WITH THESE EVIL MEN UNTIL THEY TURN ON THEM ALSO AS STATED. The angel also said to me, &#8220;The waters you saw, on which the prostitute sits, are nations, peoples, races, and languages. <br />
Rev 17:16  The ten horns you saw and the beast will hate the prostitute; [THESE APOSTATE CHURCH LEADERS] they will take away everything she has and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and destroy her with fire. <br />
Rev 17:17  For God has placed in their hearts the will to carry out his purpose by acting together and giving to the beast their power to rule until God&#8217;s words come true. </p>
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		By: samuel kimani Njoroge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In these last days; we are going to be divided into two groups in this church one group stands for the purification of the church and the other one stands for corrupting of the church. Which side will you belong ?Are you going to stand for Jesus  or  the dictates of men.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In these last days; we are going to be divided into two groups in this church one group stands for the purification of the church and the other one stands for corrupting of the church. Which side will you belong ?Are you going to stand for Jesus  or  the dictates of men.</p>
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		By: Andy Roman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy Roman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2021 00:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8613&quot;&gt;Marja&lt;/a&gt;.

Amen! I agree with you. God help us to stay faithful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8613">Marja</a>.</p>
<p>Amen! I agree with you. God help us to stay faithful.</p>
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		By: Andy Roman		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andy Roman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Dec 2021 00:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8612&quot;&gt;Bruce Sillence&lt;/a&gt;.

No my brother, I&#039;m not mistaken because it&#039;s already happened before. History is our teacher and has declared this. The apostate leaders who sided with Rome and said &quot;We have not king but Caesar&quot; did not get any love from Rome. In the end they were destroyed by Rome in 70AD, the same power they pledged allegiance to earlier. Apostate leaders beware: &quot;The Saviour&#039;s prophecy concerning the visitation of judgments upon Jerusalem is to have another fulfillment, of which that terrible desolation was but a faint shadow&quot; (Great Controversy, p. 37). Also, remember what happened during the St. Bartholomew&#039;s Day Massacre and to all the compromising leaders and members who joined with Rome. The did not escape. Nor will those who compromise today.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8612">Bruce Sillence</a>.</p>
<p>No my brother, I&#8217;m not mistaken because it&#8217;s already happened before. History is our teacher and has declared this. The apostate leaders who sided with Rome and said &#8220;We have not king but Caesar&#8221; did not get any love from Rome. In the end they were destroyed by Rome in 70AD, the same power they pledged allegiance to earlier. Apostate leaders beware: &#8220;The Saviour&#8217;s prophecy concerning the visitation of judgments upon Jerusalem is to have another fulfillment, of which that terrible desolation was but a faint shadow&#8221; (Great Controversy, p. 37). Also, remember what happened during the St. Bartholomew&#8217;s Day Massacre and to all the compromising leaders and members who joined with Rome. The did not escape. Nor will those who compromise today.</p>
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		By: Ricky		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ricky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2021 19:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8609&quot;&gt;Roger Aak&lt;/a&gt;.

You are so right. The shaking is knocking a lot off the narrow road as we speak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://adventmessenger.org/when-the-church-aligns-itself-with-the-state-to-discriminate-against-the-unvaccinated/comment-page-1/#comment-8609">Roger Aak</a>.</p>
<p>You are so right. The shaking is knocking a lot off the narrow road as we speak.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marja]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Dec 2021 16:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, brother Andy, for this hard hitting, and truth filled article. We are entering into critical times, when everyone&#039;s faith will be tested. It&#039;s plain to me how these covid, vaccination issues are leading us into &quot; the mark of the beast.&quot; I believe that we are now in &quot; mark of the beast territory&quot; and inching closer and closer. Praying for all Christians to wake up, before it is too late. ( especially SDA Christians, so we can help others! ) May God help us to keep His commandments, and have the faith of Jesus, a faith that cannot be moved, no matter what happens to us!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, brother Andy, for this hard hitting, and truth filled article. We are entering into critical times, when everyone&#8217;s faith will be tested. It&#8217;s plain to me how these covid, vaccination issues are leading us into &#8221; the mark of the beast.&#8221; I believe that we are now in &#8221; mark of the beast territory&#8221; and inching closer and closer. Praying for all Christians to wake up, before it is too late. ( especially SDA Christians, so we can help others! ) May God help us to keep His commandments, and have the faith of Jesus, a faith that cannot be moved, no matter what happens to us!</p>
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